America helped USSR cover-up Katyn massacre, documents reveal...

As if we needed any more evidence of America's unprincipled duplicity. Newly de-classified documents show how America conspired with Stalin to cover-up the horrific massacre of 22,000 Poles in the forest of Katyn. Nice going America-and all so's not to upset Uncle Joe, your latest best friend. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/documents-show-us-knew-of-soviet-katyn-massacre-8125277.html
My grandfather was among those murdered under Stalin's orders (although not in Katyn), so you could say I have a vested interest in this.

 

Yes. FDR was a Communist dictator every bit as powerful as Stalin. We locked up dissidents in concentration camps, established a full blown command economy, locked up innocent business owners, taxed our population into poverty and enacted draconian rationing schemes so heinous that American children went hungry.

Luckily when "President For Life" Roosevelt died, the incompetent Harry Truman took over, and Republican Conservatives were able to get an amendment enacted to ensure another Commie Dictator never rises in the place of FDR. It took decades to finally repeal all the stinking socialism he was responsible for.

So of course the dictator Stalin and the dictator Roosevelt, both leftists in the same authoritarian mold, cooperated to cover up war crimes. That of course in no way diminishes but slightly the fact that we fed the world, armed the world and saved the world and sacrificed virtually all of the wealth and freedom of 2 generations of America to do it.

 

'We commit and cover up war crimes, but we saved the world (from what, who knows?). so that's all that matters'. Nice other-world morality there.

 

We overthrew the dictator and reestablished some semblance of Democracy. Excuse us for being under the sway of Communists. It took us awhile to ferret out of the Authoritarians in the 50's. That was what McCarthyism was all about.

We fixed the problem. So complaining about it now is useless.

 

We overthrew the dictator and reestablished some semblance of Democracy. Excuse us for being under the sway of Communists. It took us awhile to ferret out of the Authoritarians in the 50's. That was what McCarthyism was all about.

We fixed the problem. So complaining about it now is useless.

 

'You' didn't do a thing, and Communism in the Soviet Union managed to collapse all by itself. As for democracy; if you believe what passes for democracy in Russia today in any way reflects the will of the people, you're deluding yourself.
Oh, and McCarthy did more damage to US-Soviet relations than you can imagine. The man was a fear-mongering, paranoid buffoon who lied about his war record, and a thoroughly nasty piece of work.

 

Congratulations Silicon Magician for being able to both see and admit to an important part of the collective insanity Americans were possessed by under butchers like F. D. Roosevelt, who liked to say, "I hate war, even my dog hates war." If he really hated war, imagine what would have happened if he loved war!

The tremendous productive capacity of America during that period should be recognized.
And, we should all find the answer to this question:

If in the 1930's America was so poor that we could not feed & house all the people so that America's population declined by 7 million, why was America suddenly able to produce such vast amounts of food, clothing, trucks, planes, ships, guns, bombs, tanks, etc. etc. just to take them thousands of miles across the oceans and destroy them along with hundreds of cities and millions of lives.

If American can produce such wealth for legalized murder, Maybe America can produce like that to bless the world instead of cursing it as we have been doing for so long. To do that, we have to stop lying to ourselves and accepting the lies of the parasites that thrive off those lies.

Fact is, Magician, we did not save the world. Killing 100 million people through torture, starvation, fire bombs, exposure and such is not saving the world. More millions perished under the "Cold War" racket where the world's most Communist country, the USA, wasted immense wealth "fighting Communism."

You can't fight evil with more evil. But most so called Americans seem to love doing just this. They must love it. Why else do they buy the same lies over and over again and again, rushing off to ever more wars.

Maybe for the same reason they cannot see that mother nature, God's wife, is very angry with us, sending us hurricanes, tornadoes etc. that are plowing America. Will we wake up before "nature and nature's God" plow up the whole place and replace us with a people more appreciative of Truth, Mercy and Faith?

 

The USA was sending crucial supplies & technology to Russia that helped them immensely.
Despite what Russians accomplished,
Germany collapsed because that was the plan all along. The internal sabotage of Germany by the Nazi administrators brought Germany down to where Germans were almost all killed and the place turned into "cow pasture" like the Talmudists were hoping.

Thank God they don't have democracy in Russia. They might just survive.

As for McCarthy, he was exposing the Communist parasites infesting America. But, he didn't know what he was doing. The problem was far greater than he knew. But compared to the damages caused by Roosevelt, Truman, and Eisenhower, the damage he did, was just a side show.

The cartoon below is correct, but leaves out Hitler.

 

From your article:

The long-held suspicion is that President Franklin D. Roosevelt did not want to anger Russian leader Josef Stalin, whom the Americans needed to help defeat Germany and Japan.

For the sake of your country of residence, we did what we had to in order to maintain our alliance with the Soviets. We needed their help to defeat the Nazies, especially since we were fighting Japan at the same time.

Yes, it sucks that the Katyn massacre happened, but I think any reasonable person can easily see that Hitler was a greater threat than Stalin was at the time.

Obviously, things changed after the war, but hindsight is 20/20.

You can complain about a lot of our decisions, but this one really isn't that significant compared to what else was going on at the time.

 

Is that you, Glenn Beck?

McCarthyism just replaced one authoritarianism with another. We didn't "fix" anything.

 

Don’t take it too hard, snakestretcher. Politics is a dirty business.
"Nations have no permanent friends and no permanent enemies. Only permanent interests." ©
In my view Stalin and entourage’re the band of criminal bastrds.
However the terror is bigger than one nation.
Anybody heard about mass execution of Russian prisoners - Red Army pows carried out by Poles in the 1920s? Some experts believe that number of victims is estimated at about 100,000. Isn’t it a genocide?

 

We did help save your country from being conquered. Had it not been for us and the Soviets, England wouldn't exist today -- at least not in any recognizable form.

 

For a guy so caught up in "God's will" and morality, what do you have the Mexican seal in your post for? Mexico's corruption is even worse than our own.

 

They killed all 22,000 Poles with bullets to the back of the head? Doubtful considering that Russians didn't have enough bullets to pass around to their own soldiers during most battles of WWII.

 

Anyone who has taken the time to research WWII knows that America did much worse than the OP reported... like the bombing of Dresden. Did America do horrible things in the name of good? Yes. Did America make deals with the devil (Stalin)? Yes. Did America also play a major part in ending Nazi Germany a Country responsible for millions of deaths? Yes. Does that make the bad America did justified? No.

Now show me a major war where a Country and all of its troops have acted honorable 100% of the time and not caused a single civilian death. It has been said war is hell... and I learned long ago not to believe the glamorized versions of WWII as they are just not accurate.

 

Nonsense , ENGLAND - WALES - SCOTLAND - IRELAND would without doubt continued to exist , its government woulld have been as it is today , nore would America . Washington would very likely have reached an agreement with Nazi Germany . After all let not forget Washington was quite content to sit on the fence - remain neutral , untill the Pearl Harbour kick from Gen Yamamoto.

This is more likely the path americans would have chosen if it wasnt for Churchill/Stalin and Yamamoto .

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The whole world would have been very different , it it wasnt , in the first instance , for men like Churchill / Stalin and nearly two years late - Roosevelt with the help of Gen Yamamoto. (wink)


cheers.
cheers.

 

Interesting thread.

During WW2 there were all kinds of horrendous crmes perpetrated by all sides.
Keeping quiet about Katyn pales in comparison to not stopping the ongoing genocide in Nazi camps, or the bombing of Dresden.

History is a wonderful thing because it allows all of us to practice our hindsight and demonstrate our morality. Its easy 75 years after the fact when all sides have been heard from.

 

If the bund achieved ascendancy in america it was long after mosely and the boys took over in Britain. I can picture the the snazzy uniform you'd be wearing right now.

 

Pales ? Pales ? how the fek , can anyone any atrocity PALE in comparison to another ?

Can you tell me me what difference does it make to the victims, whether they're /was - slaughtered/killed/maimed by or in the name of The Third Reich/Christianity/Demockery or Commune- Bolshekism etc. ?


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I wouldn't bank on that; remember that because of the Battle of Britain in 1940 Hitler gave up any plans of invading England.

 

Well seeing as the murder site was excavated, and the dead exhumed and examined, I think you can safely assume that a bullet in the head was the preferred method of execution. Besides the Russians eventually admitted to the massacre in 1991, I believe.

 

Shameful especially since it is not surprising. Are you as upset with the British government over this?

 

Naturally; my family are Poles.

 

Tell em - abt the role the Free Polish Government + Polish airmen played in the Battle of Britain.

On the otherhand, dont bother , most Yanks , would'nt understand anything which was'nt spoon fed to them via Hollywood movies.


... cheers.

 

Right...Your family are Poles, the Brits betrayed and backstabbed the Poles and the Czechs and the rest of Europe and sold them to the Nazis to save their sorry asses. Yet you are bleating about the US which in order to save the world (including Brits and Poles) had to make a pact with the devil (Stalin) and keep a few things under wraps so that not to jeopardize the pact.

Given that the Brits were responsible for the bombing of Dresden your hypocrisy is staggering.