America's Obsession With Guns Must Stop

The part where if that School had trained teachers with Conceal/Carry who
voluntarily decide to have at least one person in school at all times with a
weapon for protection the massacre wouldn't have been nearly as bad.If the
Principle was packing or had a designated locker with an M-16 like Israel use's
In ALL schools,then maybe the 20 year old would never have even attempted trying to
pull off his Monstrous act.That school was targetted because it was an easy target.
Meaning a Gun Free Zone.Meaning NO one not even a Teacher is allowed to have a weapon.
That no Security used will have a Gun.
You ae thinking like a child.Even a 20 yr. old Evil mental case knows where an
easy target exists.

 

Good point. If you will allow me to paraphrase.

Demanding that the right to bear arms be denied the people, in this context, is exactly like demanding that free speech be denied because someone has, or could in the future, yell "Fire" in the proverbial crowded theater.

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By ignoring the traffic death stats and focusing on the school killings, it's like overlooking a ravenous lion and fixating on a rabid squirrel. THAT lack of perspective and judgment is what should be acknowledged. The most noteworthy thing about the school murders is that a human being could commit such a heinous act. But that's not the gun or the liberty. It is precisely the public and media fascination with the act which is the problem. If that mans actions were the right hand of Satan himself. Then Satans left hand would reach for our liberty. And that's exactly what is being suggested by many in the land. Evils one hand is as subtle as its other is brutal.

 

DUDE! HE'S ON THE SAME PAGE AS YOU!

He said schools are soft targets, which means 'easy targets.' He's not saying they should be!

 

DUDE! HE'S ON THE SAME PAGE AS YOU!

He said schools are soft targets, which means 'easy targets.' He's not saying they should be!

 

Then he's both ignurnt and a hypocrite.Saying he's hates the NRA and those who
own guns.That is on the face irrational.
The new Mindset in this country.I've never seen or heard anything like it.
I guess as kids,all kids should know to hate their Grandfathers because they
have a shotgun for hunting and a pistol in a night drawer for home protection.
This is evil.The State-run Media is actively demonizing anyone who is Pro Gun.
That is Evil.That a State-run media would both Exploit this Tragedy and also
use every dirty propaganda ploy to besmirch anyone who is in favor of the once
sacred 2nd Amendment is Evil,on the face and in the heart.
It used to be a sign or Americans for citizens to proudly be in possession of
a weapon for all kinds of reason.For protection,hunting and collecting.Maybe as an
investment.

 

He's not the one who said that bs about gun owners. Your lumping everyone who has disagreed with you into one person

 

I stopped defending my position a ways back, I am on the attack now. I'm thinking I've been forced to explain or justify too much to moronic foreigners who live as subjects, not Citizens. I am woefully tired of progressive libs blaming others for their miserable failures.....
People who want to live without firearms can do just that.
They have announced that they are soft targets as well.
Nothing like a good old fashioned debate to let folks know you are insufficient with personal defense. Because if you proclaim it loudly in here, all of your friends and neighbors know it too. And someone related to them now knows it and you automatically set yourself up, since you cannot defend yourself, as a soft target. It has been pointed out several times in multiple threads that the common thread to robberies, violent home invasions, occur through a known person; a relative, friend of a relative, etc.
You are usually known by the perp.
That can be responded with preparation. Some being better than nothing (tools debatable)
Such an event requires the same preparations. You don't advertize your house to be open and available for theft or murder. No sign hanging across the sidwalk with an invitation to criminals. No notices in the paper when you'll be out of the house and for how long. That is because the things in that house matter to you and your family. It is a place to be safe in and most parents will really do what's neccessary to keep it safe. (choices not withstanding)
Why in the hell would you think it is any different outside those doors that you bar to keep the bad stuff out? Those children, and all children are put into harms way everyday. Why do you think parents worry so much about their children? Because they know it is a dangerous world outside those doors.
They entrust their children to strangers and put their responsibility in the hands of others. A transfere of faith, if you will. Not the teachers and faculty, and not even really the police, but the system that supports all of that. It is the same system that pumps drugs into our children because they don't quite act the way it is thought they should. New laws that put them in gulags. Or they are stuck with their social structure, for whatever reason. Let them play vidiot games day in and day out. Be liberal in your child's indoctrination, let them skip school,have alcohol parties in your homes, be liberal about sex and drugs, and show a lack of faith of some kind.
This is the liberal agenda, remove faith from the family, destroy and reconstruct the new-age family, alter the expectations of society and expect a Utopia.
In their reality I am to blame because I will not participate or condone their actions.
They lay the blame everywhere but where it should be.
Their answer to fix their problem only cost such a little bit, and you really don't need that one little bitty Right because you can trust us...but once the thief is in the house.....
Is that about as plain as it gets?

 

Hypothetical regulation:

Gun users, must have trigger locks on all guns they own,when not in use. Exception made for the gun used with conceal carry license, being the owners primary self defense weapon of choice.

Security storage requirement for gun owners with military high capacity clip, rapid fire semi auto rifles, and semi auto shotguns, semi auto handguns. Ie: gun vault, bolted down, not easily broken into, or stolen.

 

So you would have the gun inaccessible at home for defense?

 

...subject to random checks and inspections? Then you would toss the 4th Admendment out the window. What other Rights would have to be removed?
This is not an attack, but just offering up some objections.

 

Some think the all powerful State will keep them safe when in fact they will be in greater danger of the all powerful State.

 

It is no wonder you continue to get it all wrong. How many productive questions did you ask in your screed above?
1) How many more innocent people have to die before the people at the NRA decide enough is enough? Nope. Wrong target. The NRA is protecting the Constitution and your right to defend yourself against others including a tyrannical government.
2) Or will Americans continue to bleat and moan about their 'right' to own a gun being more important than the mass murder of two dozen innocent people? Nope. Our rights as human beings are not suspended because something bad happened. Something bad happened because of people just like you. Our right to self defense is not put on hold when someone murders another or a host of others. It is one of the reasons why we have a right to keep and bear arms. You are an enabler and you have the blood of those children on your head.

It is people like you who dreamed up the completely idiotic notion that gun violence could be stopped by passing a public law and putting up a black and white sign. Gun free zones are an invention of the idiotic Left. You own it and you own every mass murder (where five or more were killed by one person in one place at one time) that has occurred in the last twenty years. It is time you paid a price for your willful ignorance and your pathetic calls for more assaults on our freedoms and our liberties.

You will not ever wake up though will you?

 

And isn't a little odd that he always goes to a gun free zone to perform his mass murder?

Hmm. What could possibly go wrong with presenting a monster with such a wonderful risk free opportunity?

 

We could just ask for the 2000 guns that the Obama regime gave to the Mexican drug lords during Fast and Furious. The bad guys use then to kill people regularly.

 

Look at the bright side. At least no more criminals are being shot and killed in the commission of their crimes.

Gun bans and restrictive laws just changes who the victims are. Women and children are popular victims this time of year.

 

But at least the criminals are no longer being shot and killed by the potential victims. That's a good thing right? Banning guns or making them hard to get means the ones who need them won't have them. It just changes who the victims are and what they are victims of. Women and children have been very popular victims lately. I can see why some would want to make sure they are always defenseless.

 

We recognize that you are a subject and know little about being a free citizen. Stay in England where you remain obliviously "safe".

 

Given that you are not free what can you possibly know about freedom? You are like a virgin discussing sex with adults.

 

Blacks tend to kill each other retail, one at a time. Is it true that about half of all gun crimes are committed by black men against other black men and women?

Monsters are monsters. No matter the color.

 

They could make a giant Menorah.

 

The United States got through the Wild West without gun control, and today the second a few kids get shot they want to ban assault weapons and handguns. What an odd place.

The founding fathers and their children didn't just anticipate gun violence, they experienced it and tolerated it because they understood that liberty is an absolute - an end in itself, not a means to be transgressed whenever times get hard. Such a shame for this proud tradition to have ended.

Your country used to be something people around the world could look up to, but now it's just another European state, except without the things that make Europe great. In searching for security you've lost both freedom and security. It's a sad tale

 

They say the bigger the gun, the smaller the snake.

I for one have a TINY gun.

Tiny.

 

Yeah.

Selfish bastards, those few kids getting shot, right?