And the country is screwed

I dont think he was the sitting member, but he still managed to be in the only seat in Australia to swing towards Labor lol

 

Very good.
Economic fight???

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit.../the-great-budget-shuffle-20130906-2talg.html

Unemployment???

http://webdiary.com.au/cms/?q=node/1115

http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2036-mr-hockeys-methodology-applied-to-unemployment

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...loyment-heading-to-800000-20130814-2rvo9.html

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdp
Buggered if I know but when this indicates an increased debt to GDP ratio I am guessing the GDP growth that the ALP supporters espouse as being the best in the OECD does not offset the increased debt...

Do we need to go further??? Just sour grapes.

 

Howard selling off assets was a very short sighted policy. However, I don't think Abbott has the same ability but that also begs the question of should the government be in the business sector??? As government has built and injected itself into the Australian economy, shouldn't it be time they pull back and simply provide the essentials they are elected for???

 

Depends on the asset. In the case of telstra, which was in the process of losing it`s monopoly, it wasn`t such a big deal. In the case of the Commonwealth Bank, which was making money, while giving us some control of the banking sector, that sale was idiotic.

 

The swing to the Liberal party nationally is about 1.2%, and the swing to the nationals is 0.8%, TPP it's about 3.6% (last time I checked) swing to the Coalition. Bit of a protest vote for the PUP, 5.6%.

Not great for ALP, ABC is predicting they're gonna lose about 15 seats, but not that bad either.

ALP just need to make better decisions about the leadership in the future.

As for Tony, I think he'll basically just be very conservative, and do pretty much everything that the ALP have been doing, but a bit slower and a bit smaller.

I was pleased to see that Slipper and Thompson didn't make it into double digits, Diaz lost, and I still hold out vague hope that Mirabella, Katter, Hansen and Palmer will lose.

 

Why are you so keen to keep the boats coming?

 

But it also means that when they say, "Howard was a genius at raising money while Rudd was an idiot!" they're ignoring the fact that you can't sell what you've already sold.

 

How high was the turnout, and, rising or falling turnout?
Because what means 'democracy' when winning or loosing when the turnout is under fifty percent? Democracies are not endless systems, can end up in totaitarian systems when people don't pay attention. History means trouble (often tyranny and an empire) now and then. Preserving freedom can only be done by knowledge, by the knowledge how a group of people aka population is mass organised by propaganda and politics.

 

Attending elections here in compulsory, the turnout is usually around 95%.

 

Pigs can`t fly, and fat dogs fart. SoTF what!?

 

krane when I posted playing the man instead of the policies.

the Labor party decided to pin all its election hopes on creating a monster out of the opposition leader. This is understandable as he did divide opinion. They had him as a male chauvinist who would set us back decades, they attacked his personal appearance and intelect. All the while his policies remained a secret and unable to be scrutinised. He was apparently out of touch with the wider community, when looking at the final results it was apparent that one party was out of touch with the wider community, however it wasn't Abbott or the liberals.

I believe that had the Labor Party played his policies we may of seen a closer result. In the end the ALP out negatived Mr. Negative. A mistake that cost them dearly.

It is fair to say that like in 2007, Murdoch had too much sway on the information leading into the election. Unlike 2007 where he seemingly gave Rudd great coverage, he swapped his affection and left his old lover out in the cold.

This is democracy in the modern world I guess. Not sure I love it, but I have to lump it so it seems.

As you said time will tell.

 

That does seem to be a problem with the Labor government. Infighting doomed it.

That appears to be from 2005.

1. Mr.Hockey? Lol.
2. Isn't Gillard from the Labor party?

"Around 80,000 more Australians unemployed" would be a less impressive slogan than "heading towards 800,000," but would be more helpful, and no less serious.
The same Coalition calculations show that over the same period an extra 143,000 Australians will be put into work, pushing employment to a new record high of 11.8 million. If Labor is still in office it will have overseen the creation of 1.1 million jobs since Kevin Rudd was first elected.
Jobs growth isn't projected to stop (as happened briefly during the global financial crisis). It should merely slow, failing to keep pace with the number of people wanting work.


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Yeah I'll be honest I have no sense of economics. But it does seem there are some problems with the Labor's and the Coalition's arguments.

 

Okay.

Do you know of any such attacks? Ads, video clips would be nice.

Clearly one party won, but what about the allegations of Murdoch attacking the Labor party?

What about Murdoch "stealing" the election?

I guess so.

 

All I see is; the Australian people (headless chickens) have swapped one group of clowns for another group of clowns. Does anyone really think anything is going to be better or different in another 3 years time?

I wonder will Tony stop prime Australian agricultural land being sold off to foreigners and foreign Government?

 

Um hello, it is people who are selling their land to foreigners, this is still a free country, and I am sure that is why you came here, to get a better life. After all you're not an aussie yourself.

 

Agriculture is tipped to be the next boom industry. I hope Abbott can be effective in retaining agricultural ownership within Australia.

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I thought CD was an Aussie?

 

If Abbott owns agricultural land why wouldn't he be effective in keeping ownership. It is all the other land owners who need to stop thinking of their own greed and selling off Australia for money. Or do you want a "Big Brother" approach, do you want our government to control what we do, what we do with what is ours, are you a commie? You guys love to blame the government for what we do, aw mummy, Tommy broke my toy, it's the governments fault, waa waa waa. I love my country, and the land we own, that that has been in our family for ages will not be sold, I am not that desperate for money.

We sell our land, not the government, so why is the government responsible, waa waa waa mummy.

If CD is an Aussie, why won't he just say so. A close look at his posts and you can get hints he isn't, come on CD, clarify it for us.

 

In fighting, lies and the fact their was no substance only helped the demise of the ALP. All through the last term of government the ALP appeared not to listen to the people and simply did what it wanted. BUT their biggest flaw was they ran the government as if they were still in opposition and not in government so nobody did see the few good things done.

No the entire election campaign was run on popularity contest no policy, now the sour grapes come out.

And??? Is it wrong??? Since unemployment continued to fall, the point is still valid.

The problem really is that the Coalition took complete credit for something that was not really their doing. They simply had good economy from a legacy of Keating’s treasury which introduced the hurt before it was critical and proactive policy for business to have complete confidence in creating more stable economy. This allowed the economy to bubble away creating an economic boon for everybody about.

In fact the politicians could take example from Keating and consider the problems of welfare before it is too late.

Again, is it wrong???

True the Coalition did want to scare the people with numbers but the issue was that employment is set to increase by then governments own projections. While I have not shown the amount of 457 Visas which the ALP granted during their term the point is no less valid.

And yet the unemployment rate continues to rise... Also the fact that many of these jobs are underemployment provides the clue that the ALP continued with some of the very workplace reforms the former Coalition introduced to hide the real numbers of unemployment.

Depends on what you call jobs... While the jobs created are not consistent with full time employment and are made up of a considerable amount non-productive jobs such as bureaucrats, with part time work making considerable amount of te employment record, problems do occur. At the present the UK are battling employment contracts that provide no fixed (or minimum hours) for people. While some will benefit many will lose, but they also will not appear in unemployment figures regardless of if they work or not.


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If anybody was watching the election campaign they would have had a side about the paid parental leave schemes. As the politicians wanted all to look at them as advantaging the rich over the poor rather than the truth of introduction of equality for women in the work place. Many here on this forum complained of equal rights for women but when faced with policy to address such complain it is simply the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Most will complain regardless of truth if it does not suite their agenda.

There are huge problems with both their arguments, the fact they both focused on the popular side of the issues and totally ignored the real Spector in the room is incredible. BUT as I say most people do not understand it.

Many here will be destitute about the potential loss of free money (welfare) and hate any government that attempts to address this issue. However, Australia cannot continue to simply dole out money hand over fist so people can live an unsustainable life style without effort of productivity. Australians need to be self-sufficient, so they can live a sustainable life style of their own efforts. With corporate and public welfare being a considerable drain on the economy, money has become scarce and neither party wish to address this to the detriment of the nation. ALP debt has exacerbated this issue but it was coming anyway. This can be turned around but the longer it is left, the harder it will be, until the welfare bubble will not be able to be turned around.

Both parties have major problems. I agree,

 

The problem is that Australia has little confidence at the present, mostly because of the way the ALP handled the elections. Partly because people had no confidence that government would help create confidence. Abbott has to restore enough confidence in Australia so people and business in Australia will spend the money themselves to purchased their own land. Due to many policies of the ALP (who promised to fix this issue in the past) there is little advantage for people to invest in their own future but huge losses should there be a problem. Drought, flood and fire... Huge problem. Also added advantage for foreign owned business is they can manufacture to export gaining corporate welfare and selling at cost taking money from Australia and without paying into Australia... Abbott needs to address huge issues of creating confidence and cutting back corporate welfare so Australians can become self-sufficient while eliminating the dags of society who simply drag back the future of Australia... I am not sure he will do it.

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So simplistic, and I thought you were a thinker... Apparently that only is the way you intend to try insult people...

 

If you expect people to take you seriously, I would kindly advise that you put a little bit more thought into your posts.

 

D.V sounds exactly like my late uncle. A really lovely man, who had a decent IQ when he was sober, but after throwing back a few grogs, he turned into an ugly abusive man with the IQ of a mentally challenged 5 year old.

Its so sad and scary to witness the same “Jekyll and Hyde” characteristics that my late uncle and DV have in common.


It doesn’t take an Einstein to figure out that the sale of massive amounts of prime Australian agricultural land needs to be regulated by the Government.

Australians should get first preference on the sale of any land being sold in Australia, and then Australian Governments should buy any vast quantities of prime agricultural land before selling it off to foreign companies and foreign Governments.

Australian land should stay in the hands and in control of the Australian people, not foreigners.

 

I agree 100%, but I do not agree the government has the right to dictate to us what we can sell and to who, save alcohol and cigarettes etc.

If Australians themselves are more interested in greed and money then they are their country, then that is the problem. We seem to hold the government responsible for what we do wrong. Pink bats are a perfect example, it was the greedy installers who hired untrained, stupid people. When I was young I was employed to install pink bats in about 100 housing commission homes. It's common sense that was missing from the installers, but they were greedy and dishonest. The schools program, did the government plan to build over priced librarys and halls etc, no greedy Australians robbed our school children.

Blame the right thing, greed and lack of consideration for others by Australian citizens. Shame Australia, what happened to "a fair go"

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I agree 100%, but I do not agree the government has the right to dictate to us what we can sell and to who, save alcohol and cigarettes etc.

If Australians themselves are more interested in greed and money then they are their country, then that is the problem. We seem to hold the government responsible for what we do wrong. Pink bats are a perfect example, it was the greedy installers who hired untrained, stupid people. When I was young I was employed to install pink bats in about 100 housing commission homes. It's common sense that was missing from the installers, but they were greedy and dishonest. The schools program, did the government plan to build over priced librarys and halls etc, no greedy Australians robbed our school children.

Blame the right thing, greed and lack of consideration for others by Australian citizens. Shame Australia, what happened to "a fair go"

 

Who the hell in their right mind would sell thier business or home to a foreign company, and then rent that same business and home back from them, and claim it is a logical and profitable thing to do?

I don't think we would get many takers in the business community or private sectors who would agree that is a logical course of action, but the Australian Government is allowing it to happen on a daily basis to millions of acres of prime Australian agricultural land.

 

And trotting out a corpse like Beatty did not help as he was not as popular in Queensland as the labor party thought he was.

I worry that we will see more cut backs to the health care system and "privatisation" of certain sections of same

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And if you think that the LNP will stop it well, then,........................................

 

You are missing the point DV, foreigners should not be allowed to own free hold land in Australia and there should be heavy restrictions on foreigners owning leases over crown land.