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Are progressives really pro-choice?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by modernpaladin, Aug 3, 2017.

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure, they support the freedom to choose to get an abortion, but what about:

    The choice to defend yourself with a firearm instead of relying on the police?
    The choice to save your wealth instead of helping others?
    The choice to avoid potentially dangerous vaccines?
    The choice to homeschool your children when public schools dont share your values?
    The choice to ignore propaganda about climate change?

    It seems they really only promote the right to choose what they've already determined is correct, which isnt really a choice at all.
     
    modernpaladin, Aug 3, 2017
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pro-Choice means you believe women have the right to choose to have an abortion during most stages of pregnancy.

    it means nothing more.
     
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    I think you are confusing a liberal with a progressive.

    Liberals have consistent views, progressives are focused on change.
     
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    Matt84 Well-Known Member

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    I was wondering what the OP was ranting about.
     
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    Neither liberals nor progressives need to be defined by right wing Republicans...thank you
     
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    Progressives hate choice. They want the government to takeaway our choices so they can decide for us.
     
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    yet you guys want to take abortion rights away from women
     
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    Only to protect an innocent human life.

    child's life > woman's inconvenience
     
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    what if its to protect the life or physical health of the mother?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So the 'pro-life' are subject to having their terminology applied and judged on a wide spectrum as in your OP, but the 'pro-choice' arent?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I dont like using the term 'liberal.' Modern Liberalism is so far removed from Classical Liberalism that a 'liberal' can be literally anyone.
     
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    Your merely stating that two ambiguities make a valid argument for your position - a rather poor starting point for your thread.
     
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    My choice is to avoid your myopic stupidity trap of what liberals/progressives are...you've already made up YOUR mind.
     
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    How many lives would be protected if we had responsible gun laws...

    We seem to have the same words for different things huh?
     
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    The choice needs to be made before conception.
     
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    So you're going to choose to keep it in your pants?
     
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    That's extremely rare, about 1% of all abortions? If it's done to save the mother's life, I'd probably leave it up to the mother. But if I was ever in that situation (impossible), I'd give up my life to save the child.
     
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    Yet you want to force everyone else to pay for it.
     
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    pro-choice-or-pro-life-176487.jpg
     
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    Ludicrous statement especially if the woman was raped.
     
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    That's you. Other people may choose differently.
     
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    Isn't it just grand to be altruistic ... about a situation you'll never have to face. Gotta love it.
     
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    It’s not a binary world. It’s ambiguous and messy and defies simplistic analysis.

    Of course anyone should be able to defend themselves as best they can and with what they have but such defence also has to be reasonable and proportionate. If someone is in a jurisdiction where they can carry a firearm in public then they can use it to defend themselves. But such defence has to be, as noted, reasonable and proportionate. Juries are good for that decision.

    Saving wealth is a good idea and it’s good for the economy and the individual. But some have more wealth than others and should pay more tax on that wealth than others. That’s why a progressive tax system is a good idea, it doesn’t overtax those who are not wealthy and it doesn’t undertax those who are wealthy.

    Avoiding vaccination is a personal choice, but it’s not without consequences. Since the efficacy of vaccination relies on herd immunity then those who threaten herd immunity because they refuse vaccination have to be treated different from those who choose to be vaccinated.

    Homeschooling should be allowed as a choice but its disadvantages should be understood and if possble ameliorated by reference to available programmes.

    An individual can ignore the debate on climate change. They just need to understand that ignoring the debates won’t make the facts go away.
     
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    Why not just use the correct terminology instead?

    The FAILED Articles of Confederations were LIBERTARIAN!

    Those who espouse Libertarianism are NOT Liberals.

    The Founding Fathers were LIBERALS who REJECTED the FAILURE of Libertarianism!
     
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    Looks like you just made the argument for having BACKGROUND CHECKS on ALL gun purchases.
     
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