ART OF THE DEAL: Trump floats middle ground in abortion wars.

Trump at his best, when he is seeing the middle and working a broadly popular deal.

ART OF THE DEAL: Trump floats middle ground in abortion wars.

Trump's polling surge followed his highly reasonable and sensible points on abortion.

'most European laws resemble the Mississippi statute upheld in Dobbs v. Jackson (which banned abortion after 15 weeks but permitted it for essentially any reason up to then), they're surprised, having assumed that anything in Europe must be more liberal than in the United States. But that's not the case.'

The US left's abortion position is among the most extreme in the world.

'In Germany, women who want an abortion face a mandatory three-day cooling-off and counseling period. More than 20 European nations—like Ireland, which recently liberalized its abortion laws—ban abortion after 12 weeks. In Britain, a woman named Carla Foster was recently sentenced to prison for procuring an abortion at 32-34 weeks.'

The 15 weeks of Dobbs is among the most permissive in the world.

'If Roe had never happened, perhaps the United States would have seen a widespread pattern of abortion being easily available until the 12th or 15th week of pregnancy, much more sharply limited after that, and banned past the point of viability.'

'Interestingly, that's what polls show most Americans support. 56 percent of Americans think that abortion should be allowed only during the first trimester of pregnancy, with 23 percent believing that abortion should be available throughout, and 21 percent not sure.'

Trump is firmly with the broad middle of this issue.

He's quite simply right, and one of the few national voices on this issue voicing sensible positions.

Please discuss.

 

You give Fascism a cookie, it wants milk, then it gets explosive diarrhea. It never stops. The monitoring required to enforce that is ripe for abuse.

 

The issue of abortion is irreconcilable.

Pro-Lifers want to ban it completely and will never make concessions.

That being said, Trump might have the best possible solution to satisfy both camps, he is a criminal, a fascist and a psychopath.

And since 2020, voters no longer elect this type of individual to the presidency of the United States.

 

Sounds like today's Americans..

Gimme gimme gimme

 

Let’s look at WHO gets abortions at more than 15 weeks and more importantly, why. A proportion will be because they could not access an earlier abortion, something prevented them I.e. the 11 year old in Argentina who wanted “the thing the old man put in her removed”, complication of pregnancy or malformation of the foetus.





Rare but predominantly with an underlying medical necessity

 

A national compromise will screw women living in states who don't feel the need to regulate her uterus, but would help those living in states that think a uterus is public property.

Nobody wins completely, which is the essence of compromise.

I'm fine with a ban on elective abortions after, say, 20 weeks or so as long as there are exceptions for the life of the mother and the discovery of birth defects or other abnormalities.

 

Trump also sees the Middle Ground with his sensible endorsement of Jim Jordan for Speaker, showing that Trump is every inch a Statesman.

WHY THE GOP NEEDS TO ELECT A SPEAKER ASAP: Do you know that while the Speakership is empty, the person who is next in line to the presidency — after Kamala Harris — is Patty Murray?

"Congressman Jim Jordan... will be a GREAT Speaker of the House, & has my Complete & Total Endorsement!"

Writes Donald Trump at Truth Social.

Hear! Hear!

 

Most Republicans view this a State issue, and they are looking for sensible middle ground between NONE and until the Instant of Birth.

 

"showing that Trump is every inch a Statesman."

 

His vision of the field is without equal. He can read the stitches on a fastball.

While everyone else is yammering in defense of a position that maybe less than 15% hold, on each end, The Trumpster sees the deal that will satisfy 65-70% of America and promptly stakes out the most reasonable position.

This is Trumpism at its highest state.

And it was after he articulated this sensible position that he began overtaking Bribed Joe in the polls. Do you think that is a coincidence?

 

No, 65-70 % of Americans do not support the hard core loon conservative Jim Jordan in any shape or form.
Trump lacks all the positive characteristics of an American Statesman.

 

Do try to pay attention. 2/3rds of the American People support sensible Abortion limits between the extremes of NONE and until the moment of birth.

 

so now republicans are no longer for States rights?

 

I would be ok with a 20-week ban except in the case of rape and health of the potential mother, that covers over 99% of Abortions today - so in reality, such a change would not change much, so if Trump can get pro-lifers to support it, good on him, let's see Republican States start passing it

http://www.slate.com/id/2120872/
"a member of President Bush's Council on Bioethics, describes in his book The Ethical Brain, current neurology suggests that a fetus doesn't possess enough neural structure to harbor consciousness until about 26 weeks, when it first seems to react to pain. Before that, the fetal neural structure is about as sophisticated as that of a sea slug and its EEG as flat and unorganized as that of someone brain-dead."

the problem I have is pro-lifers hassling people over the date they conceived, as that could be an unknown, as it's more of an art than an exact science

 

It's you who needs to pay attention to who you wrote about.
Trump & Jordan which has zilch to do with abortions.

Zorro said: ↑
Trump also sees the Middle Ground with his sensible endorsement of Jim Jordan for Speaker, showing that Trump is every inch a Statesman.

WHY THE GOP NEEDS TO ELECT A SPEAKER ASAP: Do you know that while the Speakership is empty, the person who is next in line to the presidency — after Kamala Harris — is Patty Murray?

"Congressman Jim Jordan... will be a GREAT Speaker of the House, & has my Complete & Total Endorsement!"

Writes Donald Trump at Truth Social.

Hear! Hear!

 

Republicans are for states rights as long as it benefits them and they aren't looking for sensible middle ground.

 

Being pro-choice I believe that 20 weeks, no questions asked is stretching it.
Thankfully almost 60% of abortions are by medical pills up to 11 weeks.

 

have to give some buffer time, for any legal challenges the right may try to use to prevent people from meeting time limit

"current neurology suggests that a fetus doesn't possess enough neural structure to harbor consciousness until about 26 weeks... EEG as flat and unorganized as that of someone brain-dead."

so 20 weeks seems reasonable

 

maybe we add it as a constitutional right

 

Fake News. Read the OP.

 

More like ‘art of the con’, since trump doesn’t give a flying **** about the issue and is just playing the room to fool the rubes.
The reality is that trump is the con who cried wolf.
Nobody believes a word he says anymore and we know he will spout any bullshit if it serves him.
And he’ll throw anyone under the bus the second it suits him.
It’s incredible that he still has a following, but I guess Lincoln was right when he warned that you can fool some of the people all of the time.

 

Leaving it as a state issue has always been the height of stupidity. But I do agree that a compromise is necessary and will be the best overall way to address this.

 

Most estimates seem to put fetal sentience, the brain is developed enough to have experiences, between 17 - 24 weeks. I’d say elective abortion being banned after 20.5 weeks (dead center of these estimates) would be perfectly reasonable. There would need to be exceptions for life of the mother and disastrous/degenerative birth defects, of course. Given when most women seek abortions, and for what reasons, this should leave anyone who wants an abortion able to get one, and no sentient life is killed outside of medical emergencies.

 

Sending something to the states to decide has always been the first step towards complete and total banning.

 

Oh dear, what a shock, a Republican flunked your purity test. Should a Bribed Joe apologist be administering purity tests to anyone?

I don't care why he offers sensible solutions,
I care that he is offering sensible solutions.

When did so much of the Left get so judgy?