Ashkenazi Jews from 350 people, maybe Khazars?

100% false, again.

the vast majority of black Jews in Israel are from Ethiopia, and they are ALL citizens.

hundreds of thousands.

there are also many Jews from Yemen, Sudan, Egypt, who could also be considered "black" due to their appearance. And they are also citizens.

conversion to Judaism under Orthodox rules. It is the only form of conversion to Judaism that is valid in Israel. Its a long, complex process.

 

Are you kidding?

What Jews are you talking about?
There were no Jews 21,000 years ago.

 

You ignored my most important points and questions, and that speaks volumes!
What to black Ethiopian Jews, their women were made infertile by white Israeli doctors, and nobody was punished for this crime.

 

majority of Jews in Israel are not white.

 

Do you remember the two week conversion of a group of Peruvian Indians some years back.. They were recruited to Israel....

 

it takes more than a year to convert to Judaism under Orthodox rules.

 

90 Peruvian Indians convert to Judaism

Almost unnoticed, a new branch of Jews is springing up in the settlements, Jews who are connected to Israel and all things Israeli by a very narrow bridge indeed.

They have yet to visit Tel Aviv or Haifa, and have never even heard of Degania, the very first kibbutz, or its neighbour, Kinneret. Miki Kratsman, the photographer, and I had the privilege of being the first secular Jews they had ever met. Nevertheless, they are fired with a historic sense of their right to this land.

"We are of Indian origin," says Nachshon Ben-Haim, formerly Pedro Mendosa, "but in Peru, in the Andes, there is no Indian culture left. Everyone has become Christian, and before we became Jews, we also were Christians who went to church."

The miracle of the creation of this community of new Jews has to be chalked up wholly and exclusively to the credit - or debit - of the chief rabbinate of Israel. At the order of the Ashkenazi chief rabbi, Israel Meir Lau, a delegation of rabbis travelled to Peru. During their two weeks in the country, they converted 90 people to Judaism, most of them of Indian origin.

"We found a small river between Trujillo and Cajamarca and everyone immersed in it. We took the people from Lima to be immersed in the ocean and then we also had to remarry them all in a Jewish ceremony according to the halakha [Jewish religious law]," says Rabbi Eliyahu Birnbaum, a judge in the conversion court and a member of the delegation.

The rabbis converted only those who said they were willing to emigrate to Israel immediately. "We laid down that condition because in the remote areas where they live, there is no possibility of keeping kosher and it was important for us to ensure that they would live in a Jewish environment. In fact, there was no need for the condition because they were in any case imbued with a love of the land of Israel in a way that is hard to describe," says Rabbi David Mamo, the deputy president of the conversion court.

"Because we saw their enthusiasm for the land of Israel, we understood that conversion was part of a complete process including aliyah [immigration to Israel], so we told them: just as you live in a community here, you should join a community in Israel, too," says Birnbaum. "Rabbi Mamo and I both live in Gush Etzion [a group of settlements south of Bethlehem] and we believe that when it comes to community-oriented settlements, there are none that can compare with Alon Shvut and Karmei Tzur [both in Gush Etzion], which said they would be willing to absorb the new immigrants."

The 90 new immigrants, comprising 18 families, were taken straight from the airport to the two settlements. Leah Golan, director of the Jewish Agency department responsible for immigration, says: "We, as the Jewish Agency, bring to Israel anyone who has been defined as being entitled to aliyah - that is, anyone who has been recognised as a Jew by the chief rabbinate or the interior ministry.

continued.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/07/israel1

 

a very rare and absurd occurance.

 

Im a Zionist, went to a "Zionist" school, live in a "Zionist" city at a "Zionist" street and got Zionist neighbors, no one ever told me and I never saw in this forum either any Zionist talking about us being a "race", in fact if you blame us for being racist toward Ethiopians that came here for Zionism and are Zionists - how can you claim Zionism is a race ? obviously its clear that there are members of several races (if there ever was such a thing as "race") that are Zionists.

Ofc there is, that's what united the ppl from all around the globe...

Saying the Jews today are all converts descendants is an Islamic lie meant to discredit the Jewish nation links to Judea and nothing more, the story never existed before 1948 and any rational person knows it makes no sense.

What do you mean "different" ? when they were in exile on different parts of the world ?

What do you mean ?

They never intermixed when they lived in different parts of the world ? or here in Israel ? I'm a result of a "mixed" marriage and so are my children....

Being Jewish makes its own ethnic group but each had European/Eastern influence as well, none of them negates the Jewish part, facts are they were always treated as Jews and "different" by their countries.

You are simply wrong here, both knew Hebrew in order to read the Bible, both used Hebrew as spoken language but throu the centuries Hebrew changed and mixed with the local language creating a new language to Jews with Hebrew as its root:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaeo-Spanish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiddish_language

Same Holydays on same dates, same Kosher eating laws, same Shabbat laws, Circumcision and many more unique culture to Jewish ppl, you are just Ignorant on the matter.

That's just plain stupid....the difference between Sephardi and Ashkenazi is just in some prayers, the difference between Catholics and Protestants and Shia and Sunni is much greater yet they are all considered the same religion.

The only ones saying that are Nazis in this forum, usually from inferiority complex, but if you need assurances, the next time a Jewish guy tells you what to do because he is "chosen" - just say "NO".

You are too ignorant about Israeli and Jewish society to jump into local Israeli authorities disputes, that story made headlines in Israel not because it happens all the time but because it was unique, if im not mistaken after the 2nd time in happened in that school - it was closed, and that was in 2011.

The Zionist fathers created a goal for the Jewish ppl, how many "refused" to participate are not important because in time they might as well join, the fascinating part is that so many from so many places did - thus creating "Israel", it wouldn't have worked otherwise and was very hard to achieve.

You are taking the exceptional and make it common behavior, there are thousands of schools in thousands of cities and there is no segregation in them, such segregation is illegal by law.

That's another hatful story, they gave those women a medicine against a disease that also reduced their fertility, when they stopped using those peals the fertility returned to normal and the medicine was not used again, African Jews still wait in line to get citizenship and immigrate from Africa, hardly any left Israel.

Another Ethic that discriminates against others in their group? are you kidding me ? name a country.

Same laws apply to everyone, the Russians were among the first that built this country, their Jewish line was "approved" decades ago, if there are a lot more seculars among them than - say Ethiopian Jews - doesn't mean or change anything, we already have a country we allow immigration to all Jewish recognized communities around the world.

The "Black Hebrews" got no proof of link to any Jewish diaspora community, they need to be converted in the same manner of non Jews in they want "in", Ethiopian Jews do and in fact it was a "White" Rabbi that made all the work to prove their link to the Jewish diaspora and he was the one that managed to get them approved for Aliya, he was your favorite Rabbi : Ovadia Yosef.

That's pretty much insane....I think they would have noticed if they can't bear children.

No proof for that ever happened, no proof that the White Europeans one day woke up and saw hundreds of thousands slanted-eye barbarian Khazars in their cities claiming to be Jews after all Jews became "instinct". I think someone would have write something about it.

The Chosen ones

Yea.....you are about all of Israel and all Zionists Jews which they are part of.....

"Oriental" Jews pretty much control the "Likud" nodays, and Ethiopean Jews are as Zionist as any other Jewish ethnic in Israel today, you simply use an old version of a Nazi handbook, you need to update your materials, we are not living in 1960.

lol, that's a fantastic story , first time I hear that one why bring them to Israel and "kill" them once here? why not just rejecting their requests for Aliya ?

We Genocide them as well ?

Yes, you are terrified by Jews, gee I wouldn't have figured that I thought all that insane hatred was healthy but I just realized its out of fear

You are an ancient type cast of an ignorant European peasant, nothing new under the sun, I "made" you from your first post in this forum. I pity you because its a terrible way to live.

Sounds like an internal dispute within the Nazi party. I take it you are the tolerate one, carful you wont turn to a "Jew lover".

It's what the Jewish ppl decides it is that matters, not the way our enemies decide to address us, if we say and act as united - then we are united - regardless of any "Genocide" you invent.

 

It has very distinct and clear rules, one has to prove links to Judaism throu his mother, its the laws of the Tribe since Bible time. or fully convert.

What ? most African Jews in Israel are not citizens - what are you talking about ? you might as well say we have wings and horns. you completely lost it.....

That's not true, you count any non Orthodox as Atheist and that's wrong, like I said before we got Orthodox, Religious, National Religous Traditional, secular and Atheists.

A Secular is not an Atheist, Seculars either keep the main traditions of the faith or the believe in God just don't give a damn about the whole circus around it, an Atheist (like my father) don't believe in anything divine or in its tradition.

 

BTW Ronstar, this new study doesn't dispute the traditional Jewish story that the Ashkenazim originate from Spain due to the Alhambra Decree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra_Decree

That would result with ME mixed with European line during the medieval era.

 

I agree, but they were looking for bodies to increase the Jewish population of the occupied territories.

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There's evidence of Berbers converting to Judaism.. see Queen Kadima.. and that they helped the Moors conquer Spain.

 

There is a lot of research and documentation concerning the Khazars here:

http://www.khazaria.com/

 

highly biased website

 

I wondered about that so I read thru most of the links.

 

there is also a very biased political agenda behind the Khazar theory

and of course, if the Khazar theory was true, Ashkenazi Jews would be very geneticaly similar to other Caucusas peoples, like the Georgians, Armenians, Azerbaijani, Dagestan.

but of course, no such genetic similarity exists.

however, there is genetic similarity for Askenazi and Sephardic Jews on the male side, with Palestinians/Syrians/Jordanians, and on the female side with Northern Italians.

this is great evidence for the theory that many Jewish males took non-Jewish female brides in southeastern Europe, during the Roman Empire and for a few centuries after it fell and Jewish-Christian intermarriage was still legal.

 

I got nothing against the Berbers....but its an Islamic propaganda to suggest Jews are not really Jews Margot and you proved your objectivity on the matter is tainted by your concern for the building in the WB - I promise ill try not get upset with your support of Nazi theories on my ppl because I know how concerned you are about the Palestinians.

Back to the topic, the Jewish Spanish community is dated at the very least to Obadiah era (1:20) "Those who remain of the Israelites

will possess the land of the Canaanites as far as Zarephath;

and those left from Jerusalem and who are now living in Sepharad (That's Spain in Hebrew)

will possess the cities of the arid southern plain."

We don't know Obadiah era but since he talked about the threat of the Edomites and we know they ceased to exist as independent nation during the 2nd Temple era.....

It probably existed before the Berber built their first mud hut, Arch finds are few to this date but a tombstone was found from the 3rd century and some others as well.


The Jews of today look like their original "host" countries is only possible throu mixing with local nations, there is no other way but that does not mean all ancient links are lost, in fact its absurd to suggest that because the nation wouyld not live on and no one would have joined something that doesn't exist.........not even Berbers....

 

But the white Jews control Israel.
The ruling politicians even publicly announced that.

 

moving goalposts, are we?

 

No, Hebrew was a dead language even 2000 years ago. The Hebrews spoke Aramaic language then.
Some people can speak Latin, but Latin is still a dead language.

And Catholics and Protestants do not claim to be ethnic groups.
But Zionists claim that Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Ethiopian Jews, etc. are a single ethnic group, which is idiotic.

The rest of your arguments are even less convincing, the usual Hasbara.

Sorry, I do not have any time to address all of your pseudo-arguments.

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Can you prove me wrong?

 

lol!!!

no one claims there are "jewish" genes

 

What are you talking about?

Is a Berber, that converted to Judaism, not a real Jew?

Do you believe in the existence of "Jewish blood" or "Jewish genes"?

That sounds like Zionist supremacy and bigotry to me.
You try to imply that Jews are descendants of ancient Hebrews, and that this gives them the right to "return" to Israel after 2000 years, because we have to believe in the fairy tale about the expulsion of all Jews from Israel and the supposed diaspora of Hebrews in Europe.

Sorry, these fairy tales do not have any scientific foundation whatsoever.


Any person who converts to Christianity is a real Christian.
Any person who converts to Islam is a real Muslim.

Why should it be different with people who convert to Judaism?

 

So what?

 

In scripture... after the Babylonian exile ... Ezra raves about foreign wives.. telling the Jews to dump their foreign wives and the children of those unions.

 

You probably searched "Hebrew", you should have searched "Biblical Hebrew", that's cool Im happy to educate the ignoramus :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

Its idiotic because religion alone is no proof for an ethnic group, religion is just part of the criteria that we covered in the former post, I guess you just got confused, Ashkenazim and Sphradim are prayer versions of Judaism, Jews also share the same culture, language and history, all these make them one ethnic.

Yea sure lol.

I'm surprised you even thought of answering, usually your type run off without a word facing facts, like Vampires at the break of dawn.