http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110929122749.htm ScienceDaily (Sep. 30, 2011) UCLA scientists have created a mouse model for autism that opens a window into the biological mechanisms that underlie the disease and offers a promising way to test new treatment approaches Published in the Sept. 30 edition of Cell, the research found that autistic mice display remarkably similar symptoms and behavior as children and adults on the autism spectrum. The animals also responded well to an FDA-approved drug prescribed to autism patients to treat repetitive behaviors often associated with the disease. seee their claims: the animals demonstrated many features of human autism, including abnormal vocal communication, irregular social interaction and repetitive behaviors my claim; a).......the science herein is a sham............... b) ..... an autistic mind (human) is not conscious, just instinctive. but few will tell the world such a truth!
Can you help me understand this by elaborating? What do you mean by a coherence of memories? Cohered in what way? How does the coherence in the mind of a non-autistic person differ from that of an autistic person?
look up what a coherance of 'energy' is. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v446/n7137/abs/nature05678.html or how about How does it work? Coherence is a matter of phase relationships, which are readily destroyed by almost any perturbation. For this reason superconducting and superfluid states of matter exist only in the relative absence of thermal agitation. However, such states in some sense exhibit only the simplest kind of phase relationships, and in particular ones which are coupled to the environment - On the other hand, complex dynamical systems have subtle internal phase relationships, and in some cases the nature of the dynamics protects these relationships through feedback, amplification, etc., especially in the presence of a supply of energy. http://nonlocal.com/hbar/frohlich.html the life of all of us is the 'energy upon (the) mass' ie... when dead, the lights are out!
nothing to be skeptical about. Few are aware of the DAILY acheivments in science. ie.... you didnt know, did you? if i asked what is the 'process' of life to the molecular level, could you share it? if i asked what 'energy upon mass' is all about, could you describe it either mathematically or with words? And the funny part is, calories (lavoisier/caloric) is on just about every food item package that you know. Not to mention, the base comprehension of 'light' in the food chain is practically common sense. For example; combine the coherance of light and the comprehension of the p680 process. Then realize, all life is based on the same basic PRINCIPLES. ie... the paradigm shift is grounded to 'life'
I think you're missing my point. You were saying that non-autisic people have coherence of thought, and they are aware of it, whereas autistic people are instinctive because they are not aware that they have coherence of thought. Then I asked what you meant by coherence of thought, and how it differs between the minds of autistic and non-autistic individuals. The explanation you just provided is not helpful at all because you are answering questions of psychology while pretending to be a physicist. So, let me ask another way. You claim that non-autistic people are conscious and autistic people are instinctive. How does a non-autistic person experience consciousness? Why, in your opinion, is it different from that of an autistic person? What are the missing/different elements?
the mind operates with a physiological capacity of the energy of the cells having a coherance. Kind of like the 'heat' of the body is uniform to 98.6 but the mechanisms of that 'heat' are all throughout the body and varied. Same with memories. The mind records experience related memories and the energy of the brain is coherant (shared) between the structures. An autistic mind is not 'coherant of its memories' (conscious) exactly but your confusion is not with my wording but with a coherance of the terminology the determination of WHY a person is autistic is physiological in which to comprehend the science behind how a brain fuctions, requires a sense of understanding the physic (nature) of how mass/energy operate. Psychology is how to identify an autistic mind not describe why. coherance of memories (energy associating) the mind of an autistic person is not conscious i already posted that and i posted the differences and why accept it or do your own homework. i dont believe anyone else can give you such an honest fact on such a subject, let alone there will be little to no scientific pursuits published on the matter simply because of how touchy it is. I am kind of nuts in many respects as i dont sustain the politically correct venue as a reason to keep things from people. i wont allow weapons to be built under my tree and that is why i will not publish the founding math that sustains just about everything i claim. but if you were too go over the data of how to identify an AI, a human life, an instinctive life, then the testing of an autistic life, combined with comprehending how the neural network and memories work and record at the molecular level......... then you would already know, what i am telling you is real If not, you are still learning and not quite ready to overcome what others believe. The problem you may be having is to identify the differences. perhaps ask a few questions that are relevant to what makes a life conscious versus instinctive. You review your basic wiki and list them out, then we can go over the ones you have identified as 'the differences'. It's really not that hard but you aint ready to go over the science of how memories are stored, apparently
Ok, I'm not going to bother asking the other stuff again. How do you know this part in bold face? I ask because it seems you are making a lot of assertions that aren't really based on any research, just your interpretation of some data that does not seem entirely related to the subject.
i have been doing research on the brain for 3 decades + All i have ever cared about is the understanding of life. The ability of life and the specifics of conscious awareness and choice are about as deep rooted in my research as perhaps anyone you've ever come into contact with. Alzheimers was my first pet project and why i wrote my first thesis at 16 yrs old on the synaptic connections. Autism was another one i have worked on for decades. I aint one that likes to give up and i wanted to see if there was a way to address it. i figured it out the summary within 6 months and was saddened too. it dont take a genius of any sort to observe the true autistic mind to realize, that mind is not working in the same fashion as the conscious. Sorry. i told you where to look to see for yourself. Anyone can put it together in a few days to identify the same as i have. As far as research, i am the guy that told the kurzweil gang that AI could never happen and why. i dont play when it comes to reality. There are so many variations of the identification of autism but the true autistic mind is not working like the conscious mind and the reason is grounded. Not hypothetically, not of assumption, not of wishful thinking but in reality; not consciously aware of itself and meeting the criteria of self indentity, response, emotions and empathy. The reason is the lack of coherance to the memories of an experiencing mind. Sure they can be taught and many savants can recall even the smell during the time of an action but that coherance of the experience with the self fails. Anyone can teach them to be aware of the self but it aint the same. An alzheimers patient borderline fits the the same logic of memory loss but they are coherant of self, just with limited memories and losing them every day.
So we have established in post 6 that you know exactly, and in great detail, because of your own research, that you know exactly how consciousness/coherence works in the non-autistic mind. During your research on the issue, what did you discover about the autistic mind that was different? What do you think about the Buddhist contention that we are all "empty" and the consciousness or "self" is an illusion? Why is AI not possible in your opinion? You seem to suggest that intelligence is not really intelligence unless it has "feelings" or "emotions" like human beings? I get the impression you take these qualities to be virtues, and not faults. To say that an AI without these things is not a true AI seems more like a covert ethical judgement than a scientific one.
so we have established that you dont want to do your own homework and have yet to even address the thread title, let alone the comprehension of the word coherance as applied to the sciences of energy. We have established that you dont want to focus on what defines an autistic mind as being different from another human life. read above in previous posts Or did you forget? I think, that if a life did not have a concept of 'self' then you could not write on this forum. How about YOU? Define what AI is to you on another thread and perhaps I might answer that question. At this point, your focus is all over the place. intelligence can be defined a bunch of ways and that question dont share any wrong assumption so lets test; What is a coherance of energy? will your post represent any ethical character or scientific capacity?
This discussion seems to be above my head so I will drop it, but thanks for taking the time to respond.
"The greatest epochs of our life come when we gain the courage to rechristen our evils as what is best in us." -Nietzsche to learn is the best method It aint over your head, it is your choice to maintain a scope in ignorance. You can understand but choose not to learn
