Baby Lives Matter

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You realize that they pretty much had to separate the children. The immigrants were being housed in overcrowded prison-like conditions, and it would not have been safe to have the children stored with strange adults, under those conditions.
    The Democrats wouldn't give increased funding for better facilities.
    Under the asinine US asylum laws, the children did not have a choice and could not be released without the consent of their parents, who of course did not want to go back because that would mean giving up their asylum claim and chance to enter into the US.

    This has all been repeatedly explained in other past threads, but you seem to feel the need to bring it up again. In a thread that is not the most appropriate place to discuss it.
     
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    Yes, developmentally though, neurons and CNS must form which happens from 20-22 weeks

    It depends on how likely it was and who was determining this information. Even if it was determined a fetus could feel pain at inception I would still support plan B at the minimum and pharmaceutical abortion. Don’t get me wrong, I detest abortion — it is physically and mentally damaging to the woman and it isn’t something to be celebrated but it is a necessary option.

    Do you believe we should be arresting women who refuse to remain pregnant? The doctors that help them end the pregnancy safety?
    What should the punishment be? What are we going to do with the extra strain on our criminal justice, healthcare and education systems that see a significant impact from children of absent parents?
     
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    So NOW you are just making EXCUSES for the CRIMES of YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief against BABIES? :eek:

    The PURPOSE of bringing this up is to EXPOSE the blatant HYPOCRISY of those who PRETEND that "babies lives matter" when they actually do NOT give a crap about the lives of babies that are being MALTREATED under the criminal regime of YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief.

    IOW's the entire OP is based upon a FALLACY because their ACTIONS prove beyond any shred of doubt that they DO NOT CARE about the lives of babies AFTER they have been BORN.

    Thanks for helping DEBUNK the OP's false premise.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What are you going on about? Trump was forbidden by law, and faced numerous injunctions from judges, that prevented him from releasing the children back to where they came from, even though some of them had family members that were waiting for them there.

    Then Trump discussed building better facilities for the children, but the Democrats wouldn't give money for that either.

    Meanwhile, Democrat activists were encouraging more people with children to enter the US and file for asylum, trying to overwhelm the system.
    These activists based in the US were encouraging people to bring their children there!

    Who's to blame here?
     
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  5. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Huh? What are you talking about? The OP hasn't even had a chance to respond yet, to your recent new, mostly off-topic issue you have just brought up.
     
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    So you CANNOT stop yourself from DEFENDING the CRIMES of YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief against BABIES with complete and utter baseless FABRICATIONS and DISINGENUOUS victim blaming?

    Sad!
     
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    Do you realize that dogs are born at 9 weeks gestation?

    I know that dogs are different from humans, but they do share 84% of their DNA with humans, and it does show that CNS development could be possible much earlier.

    Also a dog and human embryo look almost identical.
     
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    YOU chose to DEFEND the HYPOCRISY of the OP and FAILED.

    That is NOT my problem.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    I see you're not interested in having an actual argument.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    That YOU cannot come up with a single VALID position to support the EXPOSED HYPOCRISY of the OP is NOT my problem.

    Sad!
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I came up with multiple reasons. You just ignored them.

    Now if you're actually talking about the OP, that is kind of irrelevant, isn't it? Because the issue you just brought up wasn't really about the OP.
     
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    Wrong yet again!

    You BLAMED the VICTIMS and everyone else you could in order to try and EXCUSE the ODIOUS Crimes Against Humanity committed by YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief.

    Not in the least irrelevant!

    The OP is based upon the HYPOCRITICAL FALLACY that those who HATE women's RIGHTS actually GAF about babies AFTER they are BORN.

    I EXPOSED that hypocrisy by pointing out the CRIMES against babies committed by YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief that YOU are still DEFENDING albeit without any success.

    Sad!
     
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    OMG !...just OMG !....
     
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    SCIENCE, that thing Anti-Choicers hate, has PROVEN that a fetus canNOT feel pain earlier.


    AND even IF it could that doesn't mean a woman can't abort it.

    Funny how you want people to think it's so horrible if a fetus feels pain but don't seem to give a damn about women who actually DO feel pain...
     
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    Opossums have a 14 day generation period and frill sharks have a three and a half year one.

    What is your point?

    You seem uninterested in discussing this in good faith and are deleting huge chunks of my thoughts. I am uninterested in playing this game.

    Why do people come to places to discuss these thoughts only to behave in such a manner?
     
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    Because of cognitive bias

    We all do have a cognitive bias but for some it is the lens through which they see the entire world
     
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    How did Trump criminally abduct children? Illegal criminals entering America illegally have no rights and the kids should be separated to make sure they are not being sex trafficked etc.
     
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    You can't even prove they are crimes. Trump has not done anything that is illegal.
     
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    This is where the left went wrong under Obama. They gave families with kids a get out of jail free card leading to many kids being kidnapped just to get into America.

    Obama built the very cages used to seperate children. How quickly you all forget that.
     
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    So if Trump does it , it's OK...if Obama does it , it isn't OK...got it...;)
     
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    Trump never committed a crime. These people are so angry with Trump that can't even see the good he has done. Record low number of illegals crossing our southern border and many sex traffickers arrested.

    If they cared about kids they would support Trump with all of the good he is doing.
     
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    Obama separated families when he was overwhelmed with illegals crossing our borders. He was in his right to do so and never commited any crimes. I had no problem with Obama doing it just as I have no problem with Trump doing it.

    You all have double standards. Attacking Trump but giving Obama a free pass for the same thing.
     
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    Where TF did I give Obama a free pass? NO where.

    Now, let's move on to how it is ALWAYS Republicans who want to cut funding to any agency that aids CHILDREN like Welfare, WIC, SNAP....
     
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    ASYLUM seekers are NOT "illegal aliens".

    YOUR biggest LOSER*-in-Chief criminally ABDUCTED the babies of Asylum seekers.

    Why do have ZERO CONCERN for the LIVES of those babies?
     

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