Barack HUSSEIN Obama is finished

you didn't provide a citation to the portion of the bill you are referring to. so there's nothing to refute

 

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On the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission website about a month ago there were 39 disciplinary actions listed against Michelle. It also said that she had been disbarred. There wasn't a list of actions against BHO, but it said that he had been disbarred also.

Well, guess what. When I checked the website the other day, all of the actions against her had been scrubbed. It now says that neither of them is eligible to practice law in Illinois. Hmmmm. I do not ever lie. I saw this myself.

Also, Chris Dodd and Barney Fwank were two of the major players in the collapse of the mortgage industry, since they were very involved in pressuring the banks to do mortgages for just about anybody who wanted one. Then they turned around and passed their bill.

Obama and his wife were never disbarred

Just a lie a political smear

I don't need to adress everything else because you clearly are not concerned with the truth[/QUOTE]

 

The Government tells insurance companies what their policies must cover.
The Government tells employers they must provide health coverage.
The Government tells the Health care industry how much they may charge.
The Government tells individuals that they must pay for health insurance whether they buy it or not.
The Government tells the health care industry how to "utilize" their resources.

How do you characterize the above truths? Government Benevolence?

 

regulation, not nationalization.

 

What is the dividing line between regulation and Nationalization? We passed that line 03/23/2010. It will go into effect 01/01/2014.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization

what you described is regulation, not nationalization.

 

you realize mitt romney has praised israel's socialized health care system, right?



Health care in Israel is universal and participation in a medical insurance plan is compulsory. Health care coverage is administered by a small number of organizations, with funding from the government. All Israeli citizens are entitled to the same Uniform Benefits Package, regardless of which organization they are a member of, and treatment under this package is funded for all citizens regardless of their financial means. Generally, health care in Israel is of high-quality and is delivered in an efficient and effective manner. Partly as a result of this, at an overall 82 years, Israelis enjoy the fourth-longest life expectancy in the world as of 2012.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Israel

 

Since I can no longer post in the thread I started on this topic, lets try again.

the last few posts have been on obamacare and whether it is nationalization of medical care. Not yet. But that is the eventual goal of obama and his left wing friends. They want a one payer system with the govt as the payer and a govt beaurocracy in charge of the entire medical system. They will get there in stages. But have no doubt, the end result will be a national health system controlled by the govt and paid for by our taxes. We will have no options on which doctors, hospitals, or drugs we can use. We will become sheep and the govt will be our vet.

 

Well I know that is what you and many on the far right are so scared of.

I am all for a single payer health insurance program. I don't know of anyone who wants a national healthcare system beyond what we have already in the VA.


And if Obama is finished....well then you have nothing to worry about. But you really down deep are pretty certain he will be re-elected aren't you?

"or drugs we can use."

By the way- the Federal government already controls what drugs you can have legal access to.

 

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Odd isn't it? You made a claim that you couldn't back up- isn't that odd? Especially since that claim came up YEARS ago and was shown to be a lie then.

Heck- I even went to the website myself in the last month and checked again- and once again- no didn't show what you claimed.

Like all Birther claims- just another political smear.

 

You realize this is not Israel, right? You realize that not every nation is a Democracy, right? You realize that our form of govt has failed in some other places, right? You realize that some other forms of govt have failed here, right?
Countries with UHC
Life Expectancy-----------Debt to GDP ratio
Australia LE 81.2---Ratio, 105.70%
UK LE 80.1---R 500.89
France LE 80.7---R 288.33
Germany LE 79.4---R 215.30
Japan LE 82.7---R 196.31
Israel LE 82.0---R 119.7%
Italy LE 82.0---R2941800.%
Spain LE 80.9---R 243.22%

USA LE 78.2---R 100.38% was 67% when b.o. took office.

World average LE 67.2

So we are 4.5 years of LE below the very best nation, and 11 years better than the average. The US LE is higher than 156 countries. Our LE is 14 months behind that of Germany. Of all the countries listed, Germany, specifically, Bavaria, is where I'd live if I left the US.

And some nations WITH UHC have a LE lower than ours. And the is no standardization of compiling the at birth LE. The USA counts stillborns in the total LE. Some nations count from "Viable" births on. I.E., still borns and crib deaths or SIDS do not count toward LE. Some even do not count accidents or war deaths. The USA counts everything.
But I'm certain that you realize all that, right?

 

yea, that's why i never claimed this is israel

what i want to know is why you support a candidate that praises a socialist health care system

 

Why do you support a candidate that promotes, nay drools for, total Socialism leading to Communism?

 

i don't, your hyperbole is ridiculous

now answer the question

why do you support a candidate that praises a socialist health care system

 

i don't, your hyperbole is ridiculous


That is your opinion. My opinion is that your opinion is worthless. And I mean that sincerely.

 

here are a couple of facts:

romney praised israel's socialist health care system

you support romney

 

That is a single issue and doubtful since it is presented by you. But in any case, it is a single issue. Voting on a single issue is for the terminally stupid.

 

yea, discussing one issue at a time is how it's done and here's exactly what romney said:

"When our health care costs are completely out of control. Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the GDP in Israel? 8 percent. You spend 8 percent of GDP on health care. And you’re a pretty healthy nation."

"We spend 18 percent of our GDP on health care. 10 percentage points more. That gap, that 10 percent cost, let me compare that with the size of our military. Our military budget is 4 percent. Our gap with Israel is 10 points of GDP. We have to find ways, not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to finally manage our health care costs."

 

can you define both socialism and communism, and provide specific policy examples which makes him one?

 

Do you not understand that we are not Israel?

Do you not understand that we have FAR more experience with government health care than any nation on the planet and that our results have been consistently TERRIBLE? We have had millions more people covered by govt health care for more decades than anyone else. It has proven to be less efficient and more costly. What happens in Israel, or Canada, or South Africa, is not the USA. Check back when any other country has had as many people covered by govt health care for as long as we have and THEN we can copy their model,,,,,,,,,,,,,,unless they have abandoned govt health care as some are already considering.

I am not against the US Govt running health care on any political principle. I observe the RESULTS of OUR govt, not any other govt, forays into running a business. The US Govt has consistently, 100% of the time, been terrible at running any kind of a business. We have 100 years of history to prove that. What works somewhere else, and that is opinion, does not mean it will work here. We already KNOW it does not.

Some nations have excellent govt run rail systems. We don't.

Some nations have excellent postal systems. We don't

Some nations have excellent highway systems,. We don't

Some nations have excellent public transportation systems. We don't.

Some nations have excellent education systems. We don't.

Some nations had or have terrible health care systems. We don't and never did.

 

Obama is a White man...well he's as White as he is Black.
White mother, Black father.

 

i do understand that we are not israel

do you understand that romney is praising a socialistic healthcare system?

 

Look how clever you are capitalizing Hussein, you're a good example of how the average mental age of conservatives is less than 2 years old.

"Hurr durr his middle name in Hussein it matches with that other guy", doesn't take much to entertain you does it?

 

Its not what I/we are scared of, its what the left has stated as their ultimate goal. Why would you want to turn your health over to the same people that run social security, medicare, medicaid, DOD, the post office, and the federal treasury?

They really do a great job of managing those, don't they?

As to Obama, if the currents trends continue he will be a one term loser like Carter.

Another obama term would be the end of the USA as a free democratic republic. But I guess you want the US to follow the budget example of the socialist state of california, and spend itself into financial ruin.

 

Israel GDP $245,266,000,000. 8% of that is $19,621,280,000./7,848,000 population = $2500.00 pp. Sounds terrific. HOWEVER, Out of pocket health care expenses as a % of household income, Israel 27.1% USA 11.8%. Source: http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpoliciesanddata/oecdhealthdata2012-frequentlyrequesteddata.htm

Enjoy!