Basics on Syria

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  1. Margot

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    Here is another perspective on Syria. In 2010 Syrian oil production produced 385,000 barrels a day.


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    1 - Alevis are oppressing the Sunnis:

    It is true that the Nusayris are powerful political elite in Syria, even though they are a minority. However, the majority of Syria’s political and economic elite are Sunni.

    Most of the bourgeoisie and the upper middle class are made up of Sunnis supporting the regime. There is also Sunni domination among the middle class. Just to make it clear, it is the product of some people’s imagination to say: “Alevis are oppressing the poor, victimized Sunnis.”

    2 - Bashar al-Assad is like Slobodan Milosevic: He is not. This opinion, which is based on an intellectual laziness similar to the leftist tendency to regard every authoritarianism as “fascism,” confuses firing against armed opponents and people with genocide.

    Bashar al-Assad is a dictator, but he is not a genocide-maker. He is not any worse than Mubarak or George Bush. Actually, Bush caused more deaths.

    3 - The Free Syrian Army (FSA) is the only option:

    It is also a myth that the FSA will bring democracy. You may decide for yourself whether or not to believe that an army with the financial and military support of Saudi Arabia (the biggest enemy of the human rights struggle in the region and in the Middle Eastern revolutions, and which like Israel is an authoritarian theocratic regime), and also with all kinds of acrobatics from the CIA, is going to bring democracy.

    4 - Military opposition is the only chance:

    It is not. It has not been from the beginning. The FSA, which was hastily organized outside Syria, which smeared the revolution with violence intentionally and willfully, and which disregards the unarmed opposition, is actually not even the last chance. It is a problem created at the beginning, whereas it should have been a symptom that emerged as a result.

    There is a civilian opposition in Syria. There are dozens of groups and opposition organizations who do not distinguish between the outrage of al-Assad and the atrocities of the FSA, maintaining a distance to both.

    These groups have true democratic reflexes, and believe in civilian will, administration and opposition, and who are afraid that their country will become like Iraq. Three days ago, 20 of these organizations gathered in Damascus and explicitly told the FSA to stop clashes. Take a note of the emphasis.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/sev...&NewsCatID=396
     
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    Lesson from Syria and Libya

    1: When a US General goes on tv and says your country is being targeted by the Zionist controlled USA to be taken out, enforce extreme strict border controls to keep Zio funded mercenaries out of your country. BIG LESSON FOR OTHER COUNTRIES!
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    We're going to take out seven countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran" --General Wesley Clark, 23 Mar 2007
     
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    What do you think the US wants in Lebanon, Syria, Sudan and Somalia? Can you name anything at all? Parroting lame conspiracies is better left to attention "hores" like Wesley Clark..

    Or, if its fiction you like read Wildfire by Nelson DeMille.
     
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    So US Generals are full of (*)(*)(*)(*) now are they Margy...according to you?
     
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    Wesley Clark is not most generals.. He's a nut... a good looking lightweight buffoon. No one takes him seriously.

    The Arab Spring is NOT a US plot. In fact... the US would have happy if the Arab Spring had NEVER happened. We have NOTHING to gain and everything to lose.

    Our concerns are how to get out of Afghanistan, encouraging stability in Iraq.. and preventing Iran from developing a nuclear bomb and driving the GCC crazy.
     
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    Wesley Clark can best be described as a loose cannon.

    Yeah, you agree with what he's saying at the moment, no problem there, but I don't think he himself actually believes what he's saying. Sometimes I'm not entirely sure he even knows what he's saying.
     
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    If you were well informed you would know that Clark is a laughingstock.
     
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    I'm just amazed Margot had bad things to say about Saudi Arabia! I may have to lie down and recover from the shock!

    Unfortunately for her analysis, the civil war has now definitely begun and Western foot-dragging combine with Russian obstructionism and UN ineffectualness means the battle lines are clearly drawn. What's worse, anyone who has studied civil wars knows that either Assad will win and be almost forced to purge hundreds of thousands of Syrians (to consolidate his victory) or the rebels will win which means there would be a great danger of the Islamic extremists from among the Sunis seizing power (happens in the aftermath of most civil wars and revolutions, and then often a strongman takes over from the extremists).
     
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    The REAL basics on Syria:

    -The media which is hypnotic in it's delivery. Wants you to believe that flag, banner and placard waving protesters, have overnight transformed into tank driving, MG wielding, anti-aircraft shooting "freedom fighters". The same Hollywood script they spun and spun in Libya. If you believe this, you are criminally insane.

    -Al-Qaeda and other salafist mercenary groups have once again been used by the CIA and Saudi intelligence as a proxy, mercenary, guerrilla army in Syria (just like in Libya). The goal is regime change. Nothing to do with democracy. This was the case in Bosnia and Kosovo.

    -The United states wants to topple Syria, because it will directly harm the Iranian regime. Syria is allied with Iran. Knocking out Syria will help consolidate US hegemony in the Middle East. Syria must fall, for the road to Iran is through Damascus.

    -British intelligence and the CIA are funneling arms to AQ. This is largely being funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

    -Saudi Arabia is growing increasingly worried about the power and influence of the moderate Shiite Iran, they are therefore hell bent on destroying Iran, just like the United States. This is why the USA is always allied with Salafist terrorist organisations, with links and ties to Saudi Arabia (Al-Qaeda). This is also why Saudi Arabia is the chief benefactor of terrorist organisations in the world.

    -The plan for Syria has been stalled, largely because the Al-Qaeda fighters have so far been unable to defeat Assad's forces. In Libya, AQ was able to much more quickly break Qaddafi's forces, not the case in a much better fortified Syria. The US cabal would much rather not have a civil war in Syria. They wanted Assad gone much sooner. This stalling is delaying the plan for the US cabal. They are becoming increasingly frustrated with Syria.

    -The frustration with Syria, means that you must WATCH out for a BIG event that will take place in Syria, something along the lines of a chemical attack which will be blamed on Assad, which will give the NATO terrorists an excuse to directly invade Syria and oust Assad themselves.

    -If you see any such uprisings in Lebanon, or some sort of spill over of the Syrian conflict into Lebanon, make no mistake about it, it is to damage and knock out Hezbollah. This is going to likely happen before an attack on Iran.

    -Keep in mind that people will tell you otherwise. People will tell you that the FSA are made up of Syrians, fighting for democracy in Syria. this is a blatant, bold faced LIE. You only need to look at events in Libya, and admissions by the US political structure to see that AQ has long since infiltrated and taken over the bloodbath. Also, people will tell you that no one is controlling this "revolution", another bold faced LIE, Saudi Arabia and the United States are controlling the entire thing with AQ salafists. They are becoming frustrated with their progress and are getting desperate, especially due to the US elections.

    Don't believe me?

    Watch closely, these coming weeks...
     
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    Cl;ark spilled the beans, so the war crazies call him crazy.

    The war crazies are so insane that they expect folks to believe that the US didn't want Libya to fall to the HATO/Saudi/Israeli terrorists, when the US was bombing Libya and arming the muslim cutthroats.

    You can't believe anything the war crazies say. [​IMG]

    Giving Syria to the Muslim crazies is automatically giving Iraq to them too.

    They want all of the Middle East, including Iran to join a grand Caliphate to attack fake Israel and have a nuclear Armageddon.

    You can't have a war unless you create some enemies.

    And, you can't be a world power as long as the US is able to say no.
     
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    Here's a question for you JTD, and I'm genuinely curious about your opinion on this: What country, if any, is wearing the white hat(s) here. I'm not referring to countries that do nothing at all, like say New Zealand, Scotland, or Lower Slobbovia.
     
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    The question is how much you want to know. Because there's no way I can even begin to explain...

    What you must know is Saudi Arabia wants the fall of Iran, and the spread of Wahhabism. They are very concerned about a Shiite Iran with nuclear capability.
    The US wants the fall of Iran, due to its growing regional power, and if Iran gets a nuke, US foreign policy would be harder to enact in the ME.

    For those two reasons, Syria had to go.

    Assad had to be removed, because of his alliance with Iran.

    What better army to oust Assad, than the same mercenary army that fought in Kosovo and Bosnia. Al-Qaeda. A Salafist organisation, created under the inspection and supervision of Z.Brzezinski, with US support of the Mujahideen in Pakistan and Afghanistan, which itself, had strong links to the Nazi-affiliated Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt. Why not? when you consider the fact that the CIA was infiltrated and largely created by NAZI scientists that were spirited into the US via Operation Paperclip you begin to see the grand picture.

    The CIA (a fundamentally NAZI-oriented organisation) is working with Al-Qaeda (based on the teachings of Al-Banna and Amin Al-Husseini, both NAZI sympathizers, of the Muslim Brotherhood). It obviously makes sense when you see it that way. And with Egypt now falling into the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood. Helped put in place by the USA and now the US plans to further work with these extreme people.

    Russia, on the surface, is an ally of Iran and Syria. Hence why they seem to be against the fall of Assad...but Russia is a whole can of worms, can I really even get into it?

    Most of what we know to be true is a total fallacy.
     
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    If people want to understand this world. They better start by understanding a few key things about the reality we all face.

    -For one moment, please just understand the world is not as you think, or rather as you have been indoctrinated and conditioned to think.
    -Do realize that corruption is at the highest levels of all aspects of your reality, ESPECIALLY in government.
    -Understand the doctrine of "Problem. Reaction. Solution" - for this has been the driving doctrine of the last 4000 years of this planet.
    -Try to get your head around Eugenics. And the re-branding of the Eugenics movement through vaccines in third world countries. Look at Rockefeller organisation for that.
    -Try to understand that we are all slaves to the banks, and that we are classified and seen to be nothing more than animals. Additionally, it is key to realize that the person that controls the money - controls the government, the question is who is controlling the people that control the money, think about that for a bit..
    -Understand that Communism was financed by Wall street and put in place in Russia. Research "Bolshevism and Wall street"
    -Understand that Hitler was financed by Wall street.
    -Understand that the CIA is a Nazi organisation. the top officials after WW2 were pretty much all Nazi's.
    -Understand that the government is in possession of technology that would absolutely blow your mind. I'm talking about stuff you've seen in science fiction movies, which you simply would not believe are real. I'm talking about weather control, mind control, psycho electronic warfare, Narco-hynosis, surveillance through animals etc.
    -Understand that the Neo-conservatives were and always will be communists. Research the fact that Neoconservatives and their doctrine is that of the Trotskyites. Remember however, that communism is a creation of the wall street bankers.
    -Research the Venona files - revealing the extent of Communist infiltration into the American government.
    -Please realize that this is a battle between being a sovereign and being a subject. It's a spiritual battle. Between good and evil.
    -Understand that the leaders of the world, annually worship in front of a 40ft Owl in the forests of Bohemian Grove. Additionally, they engage in homoerotic practices within the Grove. Nixon, Reagan, George Bush, Karl Rove, Kissinger, Rumsfeld etc all frequent the grove.
    -The Nuclear bomb began its inception in Bohemian Grove, research "Manhattan project Bohemian Grove"
    -Understand that the world is based on hypocrisy and LIES. Operation GLADIO was NATO sponsored terror blamed on the communists. Operation Northwoods the US government signed off on a plan to kill Americans. That shows you what they think of you, basically as cattle.
    -Just know that we are always being sprung a web of lies by those in high places. The war on terror is a facade.
    -The TV is the worst invention in the history of mankind. A Weapon of Mass DECEPTION. Propaganda and societal control on a whole new level.

    There is much more I could go into.

    But, one day the true nature of this world will reveal itself to us all, and it will be too late by then. I can pretty much say it now. One day we will all wake up to a vastly different world, after some sort of "event".

     
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    As far as Syria, I'd say the US has picked the wrong side. The Rebels are Islamist and Jihadi. The Assad regime is trying to have a fairly secular state. Christians in Syria have done far better under Assad than they ever would under the Rebels. Assad is a tyrant, sure but at least he isn't bat(*)(*)(*)(*) insane. Would you rather deal with a president that just wants power or a freedom fighter who thinks God told him that suicide is OK as long as he takes out a few infidels with him? Krushchev was a dictator, but he wasn't trying to take over the world for God.
     
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    The rebels.. the Syrian Free Army... are non sectarian.
     
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    I knew something was up because of the recent chats between Arabia and Iran.

    Looks like Iran knows Assad is not the horse to back.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/264260-crucial-change-iran-s-stance-syria.html
     
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    Blind, pathologically stupid? or both?

    The rebels on the ground in Syria are Al-Qaeda.

    So far, you're the ONLY one on this forum that doesn't know that.
     
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    You go on believing they are Al Qaeda..

    Most of the rebels are defectors from the Syrian Army.
     
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    :laughing: :lol:

    [​IMG]

    Be a good girl and swallow it all ;)
     
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    You are much too kind...........
     
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    Assad has been blaming Saudi and Qatar for funding the terrorists that are blowing up his country with suicide bombers and car bombs.

    John Kerry agrees who the Terrorists are and who funds and arms them and spreads their hateful Wahabi ideology.


    "If we are serious about energy independence, then we can finally be serious about confronting the
    role of Saudi Arabia in financing and providing ideological support of Al-Qaeda and
    other terrorist groups, We cannot continue this Administration's kid-glove approach to the supply and laundering of terrorist money ... I
    will launch a 'name and shame' campaign against those that are financing terror. And if
    they do not respond, they will be shut out of the U.S. financial system. The same goes
    for Saudi sponsorship of clerics who promote the ideology of Islamic terror. To put it
    simply, we will not do business as usual with Saudi Arabia."


    Senator John Kerry
    Seattle
    May 27th 2004
     
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    Kerry is a parrot.

    Remember that Khadafi said it was AQ and drugs that was bringing him down.. Assad is no different.

    All y'all want to blame someone else like the US or Israel or the Saudis.... and some want free everything.. housing, healthcare, gasoline, education..

    The FSA is largely defectors from the Syrian Army... Give the Syrian people some credit. They are NOT children and they are sick of Assad.
     
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    100% correct analysis

    anyone disafreeing is in denial or needs locking up in a secure establishment for the insane like the White House
     

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