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Today, many Ossis want their GDR back because they can't cope with too much freedom. They were born as slaves to the Russkies. They feel like dogs their master has left.

 

Gratitude, submission, no.
But it would be rather nice if the East finally starts pulling its weight.

 

Yes, why insult me and my family? Just because i dont fall on my knees and show submissive gratitude?

No thanks.

Gratitude always means submissiveness. It belittles one side and rises the other.
I feel zero gratitude. Quite contrary. I see the west as corrupted to the core.

German reunion was achieved by the millions who stood brave against the regime in 1989. By 1990 it turned negative as west germany more and more enslaved the east. This changed now. East germans in general give a **** about west german institutions.

 

Bullshit, we see that the west is not free. We want more freedom. Absolute freedom of speech. No political correctness. We say things, that wessis would never dare to say. We openly stamd against indoctrinations and lies.

 

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Neither do you. All you have are stories your grandfather told you. Obviously greatly biased due to the former East German humiliation at having to have their economy bailed out to the tune of billions of West German marks after reunification.

 

You're wrong, brother.

Majority of Eastern Germans Feel Life Better under Communism
https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...eel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html

 

Bet you're lots of fun at Christmas and birthdays...

 

The plants need somebody to keep them company...

 

Is East Germany section still suffering poverty and lack of industrial jobs?

I had this nice talk in Fremont, CA with a German man who left East Germany and was an American citizen as he claimed. He told how he lived in East Germany and the Russians forced him to work in plants all over to take them apart and put the parts on trains that he said were going to Russia. Russia was well known to believe it was up to them to force Germany to never ever then or in the future to rise again. They wanted Germany as a population of slaves it looked to me like he was saying.

 

Sobo, if I'm right, the unity threw West Germany's economy back 10 years, so it was a sacrifice. What you resent is the attitude of the Western Germans, but that's to be expected. If you had sacrificed for 10 years so you could help other Germans, then you would expect them to be grateful to you wouldn't you?

This doesn't mean that you should bow to Western Germany's views and dominance, but don't resent them either, because if anything happens, it's going to be your German brethren that will help you and no one else.

 

That East German's view doesn't correspond with the fact that Russia was the first nation to agree to unity between the two Germany's. This is one of the reasons Vladimir Putin was shocked when Germany opposed Crimea uniting with Russia.

Actually the Germans are lucky that they are even alive, considering the ethnic cleansing campaign they were conducting to drive the Russians to the Urals so they could take their land. What happened then is still affecting Russia, otherwise their population would be higher. The only thing hindering Russia's economic growth, is that its population isn't commensurate with its size, and because of that, they are not able to fully develop. This is all because of Germany in WWII and Washington when the Soviet Union fell.

Russia lost most of its men in WWII, and during the 90's when the USSR collapsed, women weren't having children because of the poverty under Washington's man Yeltsin. Certain chosen Russians were given money by the banks to buy up all its assets as they switched to a free market, and the profits were sent overseas while the Russian people starved.

It was just another genocide and thievery like the Western funded Bolshevik revolution and the Nazi onslaught. This is why a Russian philosopher said that Russia has been attacked by the West every 20 years.

 

Political correctness is a form of slavery, since it hinders an open expression of one's views. I'm against political correctness too, as long as it's not from people who are filled with hate and who lack objectivity and understanding..

 

They are not poor, there is no real poverty. West German Industry invested heavy into East Germany. Around the larger City there is decent industrial growth. It looks horrible for the rural areas. People moved to were the jobs are. The East German population has greatly declined to the same level of 1905.
There is quiet a rift in the population east/west. The West is getting tired of the East playing the victims and not really pulling its weight and the East is getting tired of the West saying you have to do more. East Germans are, lets call it, a minority.
It does not help, that the Neo NAZI AfD represents roughly 25% of the East Germans. It does not help to bring further industrial development, companies shy away. Who wants to live next to somebody like Sobo and he buddies. You can't get people to move there to work. Very hard.
You could not pay me enough, to have such neighbors.

Yes that was Stalins idea, get a hold of all of Germany, so he could completely destroy it.
Luckily it did not happen and luck to for East Germany. Because without the rich West Germany they would be today worse of than Albania.

 

The Problem with PC is the guilt factor, which is built into it and the we are right and you are wrong.

 

I think part of the German view regarding the aftermath of World War Two and that @Sobo himself has mentioned in passing is that the German people suffered enough that they shouldn't be expected to continue with the "national war guilt" thing.

For example more than 2 million Germans are believed to have died after World War Two during forcible expulsions from Eastern Europe.

That's quite a down payment on the war guilt thing.

 

No, Germany dished out without mercy, what happened after the war, or by the Soviets and the allies during the war, I can only say we had it coming.
Its the old saying, what goes around, comes around.
The difference was made after the war. How West Germany conducted itself and what it did to become again a member of the world community. I am of the past war generation. Today I can walk any were in the world and stand tall, because of what West Germany did.
No guilt, but with a huge responsibility, never, ever let it happen again.
It does not matter were you come from, what colour your skin is or what your religion is, you are as good as me.
It is your ideology, politicly, or religious, which makes the difference.
People like Sobo are just Germans by birth, but not Germans, because of the hate, racism and the chip on his shoulder.
Those people look down on others, but can not walk tall.
Germans like me, walk tall.

 

My only ventures into the east was in East Berlin two times. Frankly what the Russians allowed to still be there as war damage in 1963 gave me the belief Stalin, who had died prior to my going to Germany, did not want Germany to rise and thus managed to keep it having visible war damage. I do not understand how any person living in the former East can lack appreciation for what West Germans did for them. Even in 1963, and I drove around Germany a lot as well as traveled by train, clearly then West Germany was virtually restored to full prosperity. In fact as I recall, West Germany was forced to import labor due to all the Germans already working. For me, when in Germany, I made friends with plenty of Germans and of course we had Germans in our Army who told me a lot too. They joined our Army to get to be American citizens faster. In fact early on in Germany, one of our own troops who was a native in Germany was helping me to learn to speak his native language. His English was outstanding. I was never able to return to Germany again. Oh at times I could have simply gone there on vacation but my personal circumstances simply did not make it happen.

 

I hate to put it this way, but he simply has not grown up yet. He has the attitude we are his enemy. Even when the troops I was with in 1963 ran all around Germany with our tanks and we ran all over chickens that a German in my own unit told me that they were put there by Germans in the towns so we would kill them, Germans did profit from us being there. Local German citizens that lived where we trained could collect a million dollars per day when we were out training. Say we hit a small evergreen tree with one of our vehicles, it cost us about $250 per tree to the local Germans who owned the trees. Back in 1963 a tree the size of a common xmas tree cost us $250 per tree. We were warned by our unit officers to avoid hitting German trees. Anyway imagine a million dollars per day in 1963? Some Germans got paid a lot of money.

Also our troops always were downtown spending money at German hotels, bars and stores.

 

A good story. Though I did hear a number of uplifting stories about German civilians and American soldiers in West Germany. One was about an American tank unit moving down a road past an old German couples house. The American commander noticed the old couple looking on while covering their ears with their hands.

The commander sent one of his crewman to apologize to the Germans for the noise. He returned shortly thereafter, his arms loaded down with food and various delicacies the Germans had given him. He told his commander:

"They told me while our tanks were indeed noisy, Russian tanks would be a lot louder!"

 

I am aware of most of that. But seeing you write brought some back to me. It reminds me that though Russia is very very large, for a country that large, they do not have very many people. When people suffer due to lack of income or goods like food, they tend to bear fewer children. I hear that Russia is not growing yet in population. Russia did a nasty job on the world after WW2 by capturing so many nations and keeping those also in poverty. And when they gained back their own freedom, it did no good for Russia to lose that land too. I enjoy the young man who is angry a lot because I am trying to gain his point of view to understand some Germans. I left Germany in 1964 thinking that Germans simply wanted peace and prosperity so they worked very hard. None of the Germans I had met talked the way this young man talks. I found them to be nice like Gnoib is.

 

People here in America have no idea how much damage can be done when we had upwards of 20,000 men out on maneuvers. Much of our movements were not in city streets yet I personally recall seeing a German farm wagon pinned under one of our Tanks and it was crushed. I did not ask what a wagon costs. But since I was in HQ/HQ company where most of the officers were working, I got to learn a lot by keeping alert to things happening around me. I also was able to speak directly to a German in our Army who talked to Germans to work out the damage costs to pay to them. He clued me in on our costs of damage to be paid off.

 

Of course you find submissive slaves like gnoib nice and you have problems with a guy who doesnt act submissive.

Its a simple concept, you dont get gratitude from me. What as done to Eastern Germany was too little and too late. I see it as the absolute minimum and even less than what should have been done.

And the way politics develop in Germany now, reflect that. Eastern Germans dont stay silent anymore. We now demand that we get east germans in high positions. In the military, as ceo in companies ect. And when we get that, we wont say thank you either, because its oir *******n right to get that. And while doing that, we vote AfD and kick Adenauers CDU in the ass

 

You are your own worst enemy. I hope as you age, that leaves you like a snake shedding its skin. Frankly you need to complain that Russia never did enough for you and since you seem to like them, ask them for money.

West Germans I ever met said it cost them a huge amount of money to help Germans from the East.

 

They earned alot of money. Do they also tell you how they send their sxum to make a career here? How they stole land, property and so on to make billions? How they stole subsidies ect? Ever heared about the "Treuhand"? They sold lake side property for symbolic 1 DM and gave it to billionaires who then sold it for millions.

As i said, i vote AfD and enjoy it. Always good to see dumb wessis face when they see election results.