Beslan school siege: Russia 'failed to prevent' massacre

No, most of the hostages were killed in 9/11. Of course, the people were not physically kept in the buildings in New York, but they were the hostages of US policy in the ME and hostages of the bad performance of FBI and CIA.

 

Heh, Litwin, what americans do all the time they use airplanes and heavy weapons against terrorists and their hostages in the ME.

 

No more than 'collateral damage' is in American terminology, after using 'precision' guided munitions.

 

No, Russians do not say that about Gorbachev.

 

Do not quite get what do you mean by light years. These were not the light years neither for Russians, nor for Americans.

 

MENA is not part of USA, North Ossetia is part of Muscovy ,
Hostages were the American citizens? How many they killed in 1 operation? Did you read my links?

 

You are wrong, your 'communists' , LDPR other patstiots called him for an American spy, traitor

 

So, hostages of other citizenship are expendable in your book? I had no doubts in you.

 

I used an American colloquialism that means the two incidents are not similar whatsoever. Or simply said the two incidents are not at all comparable to each other.

 

He may have worked some with the US when the Russians invaded A-Stan, but he no longer had any ties after the Taliban took over.

If he was really a secret agent of the US, then he would have come back to the CIA HQ in Langley after 911 to be debriefed.

 

So what! He was doing something good back then. He was fighting the Soviet Russian - Communist invaders. So you see the evil back then in Afghanistan was Russia the country that invades other countries. Invaders are evil and he who kills an invader is doing good.

Later Bin Laden turned evil himself.

 

That judgement is so primitive, my ancestor from Eneolyte would laugh at it.

 

So, read some of the ruling now.

Most of it is related to article 2, the right to life. Russia failed to prepare for an attack, which they had indicators of happening in the area. Fair enough, all judges agreed on this, even the Russian judge.

Then there's a bit more disagreements on two more issues related to article 2, the execution of the rescue operation, and the planning and organization of the rescue effort. 5 votes against 2.

But when it comes to compensation for the victims, the ECHR did NOT rule against Russia, as some in this thread seem to indicate. No violation of article 13, the right to an effective remedy.

And this is not a joke court. Russia is part of it also, as are almost all other European nations. So obviously, there were mistakes on Russia's part in Beslan. But I don't think Russians would disagree with that either.

But how do you prepare for an attack of this magnitude? In such a remote area? Without turning into a tyranny with checkpoints every 100 meters?

Not saying I disagree with the ruling, just that to prevent this ruling, Russia would've need to break a certain number of other human rights they've already signed up to. It's a damned if you do, and damned if you don't situation.

 

People punish criminals for their actions - but should remember that we judge people for their intentions. If a bloodthirsty maniac want to kill your enemies - you do not arm him, because when war is done - these weapons will turn on other people, or even yourself. Inadequate people should be kept at bay and isolated from society, if they harm it.

 

The support of evil is nothing to laugh at. Good countries do not invade their neighbors. Good countries cooperate with their neighbors. Russia invades her neighbors, therefore Russia is, was, and always shall be an evil country. You will note that I said country of Russia not the people that is the evil.

 

Hm... Are you from?

 

You see, I don't ask you where are you from

 

Seriously, I was more sophisticated in my kindergarden years, before I learned how to pronounce 'R' and 'D'. What is wrong with you?

 

Yes, Reagan's decision to bring down the USSR was, IMO, noble and justified. The USSR was a failed dangerous state defined by its dehumanizing mutant political system.

OTH, it is hard to conclude that it would not have been much better for the US if the USSR had crushed Afghanistan and Pakistan and its radical Islamists under the full weight of Communist Party totalitarian force for at least many decades.

 

The origin. He can't forgive himself that he was not born to be babysitter in USA

 

You need to see things in the big picture frame of geo- politics. Radical Islam is not a country or a people it us a concept. Even if Russia did invade and over run Afghanistan and Pakistan I doubt that radical Islam would have been irradiated.

 

Ah, yes yes, you are right, for americans the lives of hostages of other nationalities does not value too much. Really fascists approach from their side.

 

No, no, no, colleague. Fascism is a pure European invention.

 

Of course, they are not comparable by the number of dead people. As for the rest- very much comparable- both are terrorits attacks, probably even funded from the same sources.

 

Perhaps not, but Islamic nations become far more secular under the rule of secular tyrants. Aggressive radical Islam has been stopped in its tracks repeatedly through the use of force since the founding of the religion.

Islam retreats when it loses wars and it becomes obvious to Muslims that further aggression will not succeed.