The father of a friend of mine served under Patton. Your post could have been what he told me after I had seen the movie Patton and was all excited about it. Good movie. Patton is a fascinating general- probably the first modern American general to grasp armor and mobility but Eisenhower recognized his flaws and utilized him accordingly.
Eisenhower was a complete nincompoop - and that's the kindest thing that could be said about him. He was vaulted into the position of supreme commander for two reasons, 1) he was a political animal, and wormed his way into the good graces of FDR, and 2) he was an extension of Marshall, whom there is little doubt was a communist agent. Everything Marshall and Eisenhower did was for the benefit of Stalin and what the post-war map of Europe would look like. The number of American and Bristish lives that were sacrificed for this cause is incalcuable. Eisenhower's disasterous treachery culminated with one of the most disgusting and awful betrayals to humanity in the annals of history - Operation Keelhaul, in which it is known that over 2 million souls were murdered by Stalin, with the assistance of Eisenhower. Truly despicable. That Eisenhower went on the serve his masters as President is simply a continuation of his treasonous behavior that he exhibited as Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces. For my money, Dwight D. Eisenhower is the most despicable and destructive General/President this country has ever seen.
Really? Is that the lesson you learned? MacArthur recommended we go nuclear. MacArthur recommended a full out war against China. MacArthur ignored a direct order from his commander in chief. One of the best examples of how our Constitution works is when MacArthur got fired. - - - Updated - - - For my money, I think you are completely wrong.
PRESIDENTIAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS 5. He Sponsored and Signed the Civil Rights Bill of 1957. This was the first civil rights bill since Reconstruction. Much to Eisenhower's dismay, Congress amended the bill and critically weakened its effectiveness. 4. He Sponsored and Signed the Federal Aid Highway Act of 1956. This gave birth to America's interstate highway system. Eisenhower worked hard to get the bill passed and it was his favorite piece of legislation. 3. He Balanced the Budget, Not Just Once, But Three Times. Despite much pressure to do otherwise, he also refused to cut taxes and raise defense spending. His fiscal policy contributed to the prosperity of the 1950's. 2. He Ended the Korean War. He alone had the prestige to persuade Americans to accept a negotiated peace and convince the Chinese that failure to reach an agreement would lead to dire consequences. Eisenhower considered this to be his greatest presidential accomplishment. 1. He Kept America at Peace. Eisenhower was confronted with major Cold War crises every year he was in office: Korea, Vietnam, Formosa, Suez, Hungary, Berlin, and the U-2. While more than once America seemed on the brink of war and those around him clamored to drop the Bomb, Eisenhower always kept a level head. He dealt calmly and rationally with each situation, always finding a solution that avoided war without diminishing America's prestige. http://www.nps.gov/features/eise/jrranger/5accompX.htm
And why shouldn't we have gone nuclear? Why shouldn't we have bombed the crap out of China (the perpetual problem in Communist affairs of the East, responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of their own citizens and hundreds of thousands more through warfare and oppression)? Take out the head... not the feet. If we're going to war... let's go to war. Stop (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) footing around and get it done.
I believe Patton was the firs American to hand it to the Germans from the US perspective. However, how would he have done on the ostfront I wouldnt know. To me Patton is more or less the Rommel of the Allies. I would consider both of them the finest of the war at the divisional level. I probably would prefer Manstein or Eisenhower at a strategic level.
Well, if the US is giving credibility to this philandering fornicator, the acceptance by all of homosexuality, lesbianism and abortion can't be far behind. Finally the US is entering the 21st century. Or is it?
Just a soldier overseas away from home during war time....it was common place scenario ...but nice try at character assassination..tsk.tsk BTW: Sounds like 'hater speech' to me..and as 'flying the flag of Canada' on this forum, will have to turn you in to the RCMP for violating the Criminal Code of Canada in sections 318, 319, and 320 as "hate propaganda."
Or we could have done exactly what we did. Which didn't end up with millions of deaths of Chinese citizen's from U.S. bombs. And perhaps the deaths of thousands of Americans from radiation exposure...not to mention South Koreans, Japanese etc. MacArthur wanted to plunge the United States into a direct war with Communist China- which may have also ended up bringing Communist Soviet Union. But instead there was a negotiated peace. Since that moment, the Soviet Union has collapsed under its own weight. Communist China has evolved to some wierd hybrid that is anything but Communist. All without killings millions. Truman knew that. Eisenhower knew that. And they knew about war- and the consequences of war.
LOL.....we have had many philandering fornicators in the White House. Of the entirety of Eisenhower's life- this is what you are obsessed about?
Evidently you don't like my posts................................live with it1 - - - Updated - - - I don't differentiate. Only Republicans do that.
YOU are instigating hateful postings! Users have been 'discussing and presenting their reasonings, and you are attacking them. if you want to hate someone, hate that fat disgusting pig of a Toronto major of YOURS....
Well so far the poll has showed some predictive and surprising results. Wasnt too shocked to see Rommel and Patton leading the way. I was surprised to see a vote for Nimitz. And I am surprised nobody put in a vote for Zhukov. I was happy to see some people nominated Eisenhower and Guderian. What's the opinion on the others with no votes? Anybody have opinions on some of these German guys? Walther von Kluge-Germany Karl Donitz- Germany Gerd von Rundstedt- Germany Feder von Bock- Germany Wilhelm Keitel- Germany Walther von Brauchtisch- Germany Walter Model- Germany Kurt "Panzer" Meyer- Germany SS
I am exceptional. But I am also a Democrat- which is not part of my exceptionalism. I believe that Eisenhower cheated on his wife- something I do not approve of, but unfortunately something that has been quite common amongst our generals and Presidents. That has nothing to do with his history as a commanding general or as President. Just as Jimmy Carters apparent lack of philandering has nothing to do with his record as President.
hmmmm. Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on this. Gen. Eisenhower excelled at managing, in my humble opinion. Ultimately that's the job description for general officers. Managing the various personalities, soothing egos when necessary and correcting incompetence. Referring back to Gen. Patton. He believed 1/3rd of any army consists of natural fighters with 2/3rds cowards and malingerers. His methods were deplorable, but his results were excellent. As a former military officer myself, of no significance perhaps, but I was personally most inspired by Gen. Washington Not particularly adept at tactics, but he cared about the men he was leading. No one else at the helm, but Washington, could have succeeded. He maintained a competent officer corps and delegated accordingly. What is most inspirational, for me at least...is he led by example. He placed the needs of his men above his own welfare. "Our army love their General very much, but they have one thing against him which is the little care he takes of himself in any action. His personal bravery and the desire he has of animating his troops by example, make him fearless of danger. This occasions much uneasiness." I was mentored along similar lines...keep in mind I was never in direct combat, I do not want to convey this as war stories in the same vein as true combat leaders.. The men and women in your section, eat first, before you do. The men and women in your section, rest, before you do. The men and women in your section have their basic needs met while deployed , before your needs are met.. To view 2 out of 3 of the men and women in your charge, as inherently cowards and malingerers, that must be treated and motivated as such...is unthinkable to me. Yet if results are paramount in this discussion, no one can deny Gen. Patton's successes on the battlefield. His methods, however left a lot to be desired.
A common thread between these two examples was the ability to understand and accept you did not know everything, and then surround yourself with the personnel who can fill those gaps
that's interesting. So you wouldn't speculate that Clinton's affair with Lewinsky had nothing whatsoever to do with his subsequent presidency and the attempts to impeach did nothing to affect his mind?
I would speculate that his affair with Lewinsky was likely one of a string of affairs. I was and am angry with Clinton with sabotaging his presidency with such stupidity. But he still ended up having a mostly successful presidency.
A great commander can adapt to surprise, unforeseen circumstances and come our the winner. I nominate, General Anthony Clement "Nuts" McAuliffe the American in command at Bastogne, The Battle of the Bulge. And y'gotta admire his very American style. Moi
