Biden’s attempt to regulate pistol braces dealt blow after appeals court casts doubt on constitution

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    You asked:
    Does congress have the power to limit or prohibit private individuals from owning or using firearms?

    Does this mean my answer to your question is Yes or no?
     
  2. Chickpea

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    You'll have to be a little more specific. Where in the text does congress have any legislative power to restrict the use or ownership of firearms by private individuals?
     
  3. Chickpea

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    I think it would be much more interesting to discuss the why, either way.
     
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    Where in the text does congress have any legislative power to restrict the religion one can practice in the privacy of their own homes?

    yet the government does ban people from practicing the peyote religion in their own homes
     
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  5. Chickpea

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    Nowhere.

    Now how about my question?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that was my point.... now see how the 1st and the 2nd are treated, if it's allowed on one, it's allowed on both.... or neither
     
  7. Chickpea

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    So you're agreeing that congress has no legislative authority to limit or restrict individuals from owning or using firearms?
     
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    I'll take that as a "yes".
     
  9. FreshAir

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    I am saying it should be treated the same as religion

    so should the government be allowed to ban people from practicing the peyote religion in their own homes? I say no....
     
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    Hah! You mean other than convicted pirates and counterfeiters?? Then the answer would be no.
     
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    Congress has no legislative authority to do so.
     
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    punishment happens during sentencing and should end when the sentence is complete

    want to punish someone longer, sentence them longer
     
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    I'll agree with that.
     
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    correct, yet they are restricting the Peyote religion.... when you weaken one right, you weaken them all
     
  15. Chickpea

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    We don't disagree at all on this.
     
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    And thus, -- your -- answer to...
    Does congress have the power to limit or prohibit private individuals from owning or using firearms?
    ... is "yes".
     
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    And yes because they have the power to punish counterfeiters and pirates?
     
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    You're 0 for 3.
    Quit while you;re behind :)
     
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    Well, we've established that congress has no legislative power to prohibit the use and ownership of firearms, other than in the cases you pointed out: piracy and counterfeiting.
     
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    that's a dishonest approach. You could make the specious argument that the first amendment should allow human sacrifice. What the first does is preventing people for being punished for their faith. They can still be punished for malum per se (we can argue if drug abuse meets that test) actions even if those actions are allegedly justified by religious beliefs
     
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    Thus, we have established that congress does indeed have legislative power to prohibit the use and ownership of firearms.
     
  22. Chickpea

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    Yes, we have established that.

    How about if a person is not a pirate or a counterfeiter? Does congress have legislative authority to limit their use or ownership of firearms?
     
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    There's a difference between Constitutional authority and the exercise of government power. Unfortunately.
     
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