Biden announces ban on Russian oil imports, other energy products

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by modernpaladin, Mar 8, 2022.

  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    31,165
    Likes Received:
    28,635
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Golly, its like suddenly writing scathing posts about your dear leader is no longer in fashion on the left. You know what cruel indifference looks like? Ask folks who are having to fight for their lives as Biden sits dumbly on the sidelines. Ask your fellow lefty posters if sanctions weren't supposed to stop the war what the F are they sanctioning Russia for? And speaking of cruel indifference, as you punish the Russian citizens for their crazy evil leaders, are you not exactly the definition of that cruel indifference? Don't kid yourself.
     
  2. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    31,165
    Likes Received:
    28,635
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Have you ever noticed that with Biden, the pain of the nation seems to always enrich his largest donors? Seems Joe doesn't have that much distance from the way things work in Russia after all....
     
  3. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    51,778
    Likes Received:
    38,105
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The gubmint still has to issue a permit ;) Permits can take anywhere from 30 to 150 days or longer and sometimes not at all.. Same goes for other drilling like water wells ..
     
    Ddyad likes this.
  4. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2010
    Messages:
    110,143
    Likes Received:
    37,870
    Trophy Points:
    113
    See my thread about record number of permits?
     
  5. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2015
    Messages:
    15,110
    Likes Received:
    5,578
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And this is where you go off the rails.
    We were supposedly "energy independent" in 2019. We are producing as much or more as we did in 2019 so why aren't we "energy independent"? Oh, could it be how Trump, in his wisdom, played with the comodities market by making a deal with OPEC+ to lower prodection? Why yes, yes it is, because they are sticking to that deal.THAT'S why gas is so high.
     
  6. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    31,165
    Likes Received:
    28,635
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We aren't actually. We are still hundreds of thousands of bbl per day short of what was being produced in 2019. I get you don't actually understand speculation. Which is the driving force now. Bad news Joe is wrecking confidence. Low confidence on future supply leads to panic and that certainly is in full force now. Perhaps this could explain why no one internationally wants to talk with Biden...
     
  7. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,732
    Likes Received:
    39,356
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I have specified them repeatedly and all you do is ask for more.
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  8. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    43,403
    Likes Received:
    19,160
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Honest question: Could you be more specific? Removing what specific restriction would compensate for this ban on Russian oil?
     
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2022
  9. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    28,044
    Likes Received:
    21,334
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You just want one? How bout the gas tax. Which to be fair the admin is currently considering waiving. Not sure what there is to consider, seems like something that should've accompanied the Russian oil ban... we'll see if they follow through.
     
    Ddyad likes this.
  10. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,222
    Likes Received:
    33,155
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I asked for the specific policy. You have not provided it

    Was it an EO? A law? Regulatory pressures and if so from who and what was the order
     
  11. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2015
    Messages:
    15,110
    Likes Received:
    5,578
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, not really. About 12 million per day for both.
    Prices now have NOTHING to do with speculation. Prices today are due to the deal Trump made with the Saudis that is over in April. Period. You can do all the economic gymnastics you want the the fact is, that's the reason. The Saudi's cut back production like Trump asked them to for 2 yrs and that that's what they are doing as an FU to the US. Side note, Trump dumped Venezuela oil for Russian oil also. It's a pick your poison as to which corrupt government you want to go with but that's where we are.
    We all get it, you don't like Biden but this has nothing to do with him or any policies.
     
  12. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,732
    Likes Received:
    39,356
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Over and over and all of them, if you want to pretend Biden has had NO energy policy go ahead.
     
  13. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,222
    Likes Received:
    33,155
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You made a specific claim. I am sorry you cannot back it up.

    Take care
     
  14. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2016
    Messages:
    43,403
    Likes Received:
    19,160
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes! One would suffice. Gas tax is not a "restriction". Especially if they are considering removing it. Or was that what you called a "restriction". If so, you might try to twist into knots to make that look as a "restriction", but it would just mean you made a lousy choice of words.

    Was that all you had? Of course, that being your first choice when asked for an example already undermines your statement.
     
  15. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,732
    Likes Received:
    39,356
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I have still awaiting for you to show me has policies to increase our domestic oil and gas production.
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2022
  16. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,222
    Likes Received:
    33,155
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I didn’t say there were any. Have you switched to strawmen (or outright lies) because you cannot back up your accusations that the administration have pushed financial institutions to not lend to domestic oil companies?
     
  17. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2015
    Messages:
    22,559
    Likes Received:
    11,225
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Per the EIA the U.S. pumped 12,289,000 bbl per day in 2019, 11,185,000 in 2021, a decrease of 1,104,000 bbl per day. For the record 2016 production was 8,844,000 bbl per day. Of course the number is somewhat dependent on the source, but EIA is considered pretty accurate.
     
  18. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,732
    Likes Received:
    39,356
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Msg #46 refute it.
    All you have is demanding people report what they have already posted.
     
  19. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,222
    Likes Received:
    33,155
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You posted an article from a highly biased source quoting an individual referencing policy that has been implemented by the Biden administration that has shut out capital and investment to oil companies without any specific mention of what policy and you want me to refute it?

    How can I refute something that doesn’t exist?

    Refute there isn’t a glass on the table in front of me…


    Is that really the extent of the debate you are trying to peddle here? I asked a question to further the discussion — what policy is your article referring to. So far your response is to dodge.

    Would you like to try again or we can just agree this isn’t going anywhere productive.
     
    9royhobbs likes this.
  20. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2015
    Messages:
    15,110
    Likes Received:
    5,578
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And now? How many now?
     
  21. hawgsalot

    hawgsalot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    10,689
    Likes Received:
    9,773
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    This should help if you really want an answer.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-bi...re-drilling-leases-oil-gas-russia-11646409502
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  22. hawgsalot

    hawgsalot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    10,689
    Likes Received:
    9,773
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Uhh no we're not and no we didn't last year.
    https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS2&f=M

    You think Trump was the reason production was cut when oil went to $0 per barrel. Wow I guess you also are the belief that biden can't do anything about oil, only bid bad Trump can and I agree.
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2022
    ButterBalls likes this.
  23. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,222
    Likes Received:
    33,155
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  24. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,184
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Once again we see the utter bankruptcy of Trumpist Republicanism. In 2022 we MUST begin to get completely rid of these people in our political leadership. I see this as an "existential" challenge, our survival is at stake.
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2022
  25. hawgsalot

    hawgsalot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2017
    Messages:
    10,689
    Likes Received:
    9,773
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    hmm not paywalled for me....
     
    ButterBalls likes this.

Share This Page