Remember how the Bush Jr. Administration started a war in Iraq before the war in Afghanistan was over? The reasons appear to be similar, because the 9/11 popularity boost combined with starting a war in Afghanistan was fading and the war in Iraq starting in March 2003 was a much needed boost rated as high as 20% by Pew Research to the popularity of Bush Jr. I don't have privileges to post pictures, but I looked up g w bush popularity and the graphs show a boost in late March 2003 from the war in Iraq, followed by a smaller one from the announcement of the capture of former ally Saddam Hussein of almost 10%, just sufficient to give a win in November 2004.
'BREAKING! China and U.S. headed for all out war, and Putin knows it.' When I read it, I got deja vu, from G W B starting one war before he had finished the previous one. His mother should have told him to: 'finish one war before you start another.' I think the critical part is whether he can blame starting the war on someone else. I've noticed the majority of people I meet are still under the impression Russia started the war in Ukraine despite joining it 8 years after it had started, so I think it should also be possible to blame the next one on someone other than Biden.
Well we already see him copying Bush Junior by the talking points reflected from Democrats.... If you're not with us you're against us... If your remotely critical of the proxy war we are engaged in with Russia..... Then they accuse you of supporting Russia. And their mind you can't simply be against propping up Ukraine because you don't want anything to do with someone else's fight on the other side of the world
Historically a national emergency has usually increased the approval rating for the incumbent president. Perhaps that has changed given the growing dislike people have for foreign wars. Biden will need to couch this as Chinese aggression to get this work. If there is any indication that Biden (actually the Biden puppeteers) engineered this, it will hurt the Biden campaign, not boost it.
Growing dislike? The Ukraine nonsense is the most popular war of my lifetime. Every major institution in the country supports it, and if you voice the least bit of skeptics, you're labeled a Putin sympathizer or a Russkie disinformation outlet. Seen Answer or any ant-war group hitting the streets? They support it too.
Yes, I think the Military Industrial Complex must own a lot of the media, every war has the media supporting it 100% and labelling anyone who doesn't support it with the most negative terms they can dream up.
You would think the public would have spotted a trend by now, but evidently not. It is yet another repeat of what happened 59 years ago which was escalated into the Vietnam war. The Vietnam War started with a photo of one bullet stuck in a sheet metal panel on the USS Maddox and all members of Congress agreed to the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution authorizing the war. If the bullet had killed one person than the war which killed over 3 million Vietnamese and some Laotians and Cambodians, then the photo and Congress had escalated the deaths by a factor of 3 million. That's all the US was doing, 'stepping up' the bombing was the opposite of de-escalation. The same happened in the Ukraine. The occupation of a central square in Kyiv was by judicious use of US funded snipers eventually grown into the present war.
Well that is probably because one was an invasion by us for dubious reasons. The other was an invasion by someone else for dubious reasons. The only similarity I see is that the Republicans find themselves in a similar situation to what the Democrats faced on the Iraq war. With upstarts opposing while party officials largely backed it. That said the Democratic party upstarts back then did not include a former president running for reelection and dominating the primary polls. In that sense you could say mass protest against supporting Ukraine's defense are not really necessary. The MAGA movement is the mass protest. By the way most of the media, and the FBI initially were not kind to the anti Iraq war movement either. So I guess that is two similarities. I'll be honest with you though as an independent who would sooner eat my own dog than vote for Joe Biden. (Because of his Iraq war, and PATRIOT act votes among numerous other positions). The level of admiration of Putin I've heard expressed from members of the movement both through media and in day to day life. As well as multiple comments from President Trump himself. Well it concerns me greatly. I do not want an American Vladimir Putin. I'd be more comfortable with a sort of "We support Ukraine, they are doing a great job but we are out of money argument. What I'm hearing is more of a "let Putin have it screw Ukraine" followed by some diatribe about Hunter Biden. I'd be lying if I told you the thought of Russian intelligence doesn't cross my mind.
You were not around for the Vietnamese War. As for Ukraine War, I think Biden paid off his Russian bribers by his “Let’s drag our feet” response. When the inept Russian Army was in a traffic jam outside Kiev, they were sitting ducks. A few bombers could have inflicted serious damage on the Russians, but Biden won’t supply them with planes. He wouldn’t even let Poland supply them with old Soviet MIGS. Maybe all of this is innocent, but when your family has accepted millions of dollars from hostile sources, suspicions are inevitable.
I guess it's always different when it's you supporting the war. Then all the arguments hurled at you for previous wars you get to hurl back. But my point was about the overwhelming institutional and popular support for this war. There was no equivalent to this during Iraq or the Gulf War.
There should be zero support for this war because as NATO explained, and Madeline Albright explained, and lots of diplomats know, the purpose of the war was to get Russia involved and bleed Russia white. The initiative was from the US and NATO. The big disagreement is the media say NATO is winning, and the data appears to be of the opposite opinion and there are big arguments over that.
You assume they are smart enough to have a long term plan. I've seen no evidence of that. If anything, every response and escalation has seemed to me to be fairly ad hoc. Remember the first reaction of the administration was to try to get the Chinese to talk the Russians out of invading by supplying the Chinese with highly classified intelligence, which the Chinese promptly gave to the Russians. Then the administration offered Zelenskyy a helicopter ride out. So they were not planning for any resistance, and I assume the piecemeal assistance since then was after they slowly put together the idea of slowly bleeding out the Russian military to accomplish...nothing for US national interests, but the massive amounts of money involved means lots of people are getting a taste of sweet US taxpayer cash and apparently that's the most important thing.
Who would fight in this war against China let alone Ukraine? If a draft were called tomorrow it would just fracture whatever legitimacy the government has. This isn't the 1960s where people are living in good times and are still blinded with the "patriotism" (blatant imperialism and false flags). It would turn from "**** Joe Biden" to shoot your local draft agent within a week once they start gang pressing men into fighting. Because we all know it'll be Whites being gang pressed to go, minorities will get exemptions somehow, and the illegals still present would just rule the country once all the men are forced into a war they don't care about.
War is about money and power. Many in the government and the MSM are a powerful propaganda machine promoting the USA in a constant war. The politicians receive mucho $$$ from the companies engaged in supplying war material. Follow the money. The MSM covets any event that gives them headlines. Power, power, power.
If you tried reporting starting the war in Ukraine as a crime then what would you say? 1. Where was this alleged crime? In his speech Joe Biden said that Russia attacked the people of Ukraine. The country of Ukraine is a huge place, did Russia attack the whole thing? Russia has formed a defensive line protecting Donetsk and a number of other population centers and areas. 2 When was this alleged crime? It was implied that it was the day of his press speech announcing it, Feb 24th 2022, when Joe rushed in as though he had some last minute news to add. Jens Stoltenberg general secretary of NATO stated that the war in Ukraine started in 2014. A film about the war 'Ukraine on Fire' was released in 2016.
