Biden is creating a new White House office focused on gun violence prevention

Its missing, it got stolen. That doesn't mean my homeowner's insurance covers my vehicle parked downtown ffs. What is your experience with insurance claims?

1) Buying a gun on the blackmarket is a crime in and of itself.
2) The criminal would have to be known as a narc amongst his fellows, not a good look.
3) The criminal would have to trust the DA, and they're a low trust kinda society
4) The DA would have to obtain a conviction and its my word against the crackhead who has received immunity for testifying against me.... Juries don't tend to believe crackheads dude.
Wait.... are you assuming I texted this idiot or something? You think someone is that dumb who is selling black market arms? What color is the sky where you live?

Lawful citizen? Selling a gun to a crackhead? Where did we lose you in the hypo friend? How did you get so blinkered? I promise I'm not trying to bamboozle you dude.

 

If Biden was interested in "Gun Violence" he would set up gallows in the town square. And if a guilty verdict was reached a year of contemplation and appeals is granted then off you go.

 

No. That encourages NOTHING related to safe storage.

I might allow that if there is evidence that the owner had a safe and that the gun was in the safe.

But, this "Gee, I left my gun in the car" kind of crap is a whine they can make from prison.

 

Oh nice. Your first source says there is an absence of a standard.
My source of the government says they got that standard.

your https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9254335/ says:
Error rates that have been published in recent open black box studies of forensic firearms examiner performance have been very low, typically below one percent.


Very very nice. What was your point again?

 

https://defdist.org/

https://defcad.com/

https://homemadeguns.wordpress.com/tag/australia/

Let's assume arms become illegal. You can't stop the signal amigo. The Aussies? Have a roaring cottage industry of homemade firearms amongst their criminal class.

 

See that pesky little 2nd amendment? See how it says the right to KEEP and BEAR arms shall not be infringed?

Sure you do.

Meaning storage laws are unconstitutional.

 

Again: to KEEP and BEAR, shall not be infringed.

Why is this difficult? Its really quite a simple concept, tell me where you're getting lost.

 

So you're on skim until offended eh?

How many of those links did you even open? Be honest.

For ****'s sake you didn't even read PAST the first sentence.

"Error rates that have been published in recent open black box studies of forensic firearms examiner performance have been very low, typically below one percent. These low error rates have been challenged, however, as not properly taking into account one of the categories, “Inconclusive”, that examiners can reach in comparing a pair of bullets or cartridges. These challenges have themselves been challenged; how to consider the inconclusives and their effect on error rates is currently a matter of sharp debate. . .

To get straightforward, sound estimates of error rates requires a challenging but critical improvement to the design of firearms studies. A proper study—one in which inconclusives are not potential errors, and which yields direct, sound estimates of error rates—will require new objective measures or blind proficiency testing embedded in ordinary casework."

They're literally saying there are problems with current studies referenced in that first ****ing sentence dude. READ. Its good for you. I promise.

 

Yes - you picked out two words you like and ignore the entire remainder of the amendment as if it didn't even exist.

Also, you failed in reading my posts, as I never proposed storage laws.

I proposed holding gun owners responsible for how their guns are used, with allowing them to be stolen NOT an excuse unless they made a serious effort to defend against thieves.

I'm OK with you not properly storing your weapons. But, if you F up, you must be held responsible.

 

Your last example was about that it was stolen. And how suspicious will it look if a person keeps reporting their registered guns end up missing all the time or stolen all the time. It'll end up being fraudulent claim it was missing/stolen and aiding and abetting criminals.

Indeed. So?

Pff. Plenty of criminals make deals to get their sentences reduced. If would report your gun missing and some criminal who doesn't owe you jack all and only knows you from some add gets busted with your weapon, than it seems like a sure thing how that will end.

Can you post the % of criminals who make a plea bargain and say this again.
Thanks.

Oh really? Say they got 1 crackhead, 3 people who just did armed robberies and a 5th who murdered his wife... and they all take the stand with a polygraph test against specifically YOU. Than good luck finding a jury who will not convict you. lol

And suddenly you got your butt landed into 1 drug gang, 3 robberies and a murder.... and being an accomplish of all of that. Is that going to be worth it, selling guns as a legal citizen? You can not be serious in saying that you be up for it. But hey... I'm eager to know. Enlighten us please.

 

Aren't you just pointing out that we may need to tighten up the chain for digging a bullet out of some kid's brain, to the gun, to the registered owner of that gun?

 

Dude. I read that. And just because there are also finding that are "inconclusive" doesn't mean the test doesn't work. It probably means there is not enough of a bullet to make it work. DNA got that same problem. The only thing that counts is that if forensics say this is a match/not a match, and they got it wrong. And that's LESS than 1%. That shows it's actually verry accurate. You're just whining around and did not think it through.

Your source is rather supportive to have gun registration. So we can match bullets with gun owners. Thanks. But it's weird to think you support criminals, by not wanting such a mechanism.

 

can you show me the laws passed to put items on the list?

Remember Congress had just been beaten up over prohibition laws, they wanted to pawn this off on someone else, they did not want to vote every time they wanted to add something to the list that the people wanted

 

Contest? No. A serial number can be on anything.

 

How does properly storing one's firearms guarantee that they will not be stolen?

 

So you whined that the baller can be replaced, and now admit that your point is void because the barrel can be part of the registration. Thanks.

 

Simply having a murder weapon registered in one's name doesn't mean that person committed a crime.

 

Yeah, I whine all the time. Everyone knows I'm a whiner. You nailed me.

A barrel isn't a gun

 

There's a difference between leaving it on the coffee table and locking it in a reasonably capable gun safe.

 

nah I was talking general -didn't read the texas statute . we had a case I had to deal with that went like this (I did the civil defense). Cop and another guy had a lawn service business. Cop who carried TWO 41 special revolvers and was a martial arts hardcore (he broke 250 bricks one day to raise money for police widows or something like that) comes into the station after pulling a night shift. His landscape business partner goes to the front desk and says "Is chuck in-I want to "F*** with him. The cops knew the guy (nicknamed stretch IIRC) and said sure Stretch, he's in the locker room go on in. So "stretch goes in and pulls out his knife and says-Hey MF I am gonna cut you up. "Chuck pulls one of his guns and shoots the guy right between the eyes and kills him. A witness said the guy was absolutely shocked. Wrongful death suit I had to defend. At the negligent homicide, the officer claimed self defense which we all knew was BS. what really happened was the Officer had unloaded one gun but got them mixed up. He got six months suspended sentence. we settled for IIRC a million which was cheap. No jail time.

 

Having a gun inside one's locked house is not sufficient?

 

I did, you haven't explained why you think people want your guns, I know I couldn't give a rats ass. By you cling onto the conspiracy.

 

we keep hearing about what will NOT work or what is NOT WANTED. Yet no one is coming up with sold workable ideas that would prevent the amount of weapons' violence / deaths.
Gun registration should be mandatory. Guns are lethal weapons'.
What are gun owners prepared to do to help decrease the number of gun related incidents?? Or are they not prepared to do anything??
Some new thinking is called for .... or gun violence will just continue to be part of living in the USA. One cannot say that this nation is safe nation. Or even a law abiding nation. That is the harsh realty. There are more weapons than peple in this country and yet THAT fact has not helped contol violence or mass shootings. Nothing seems to prevent a mentally ill person from gaining access to weapons and creating mass slaughter .
And this does not count the incidents that occur but don't make the news.

 

And what is your point?

 

why is it I constantly get the feeling that anti gun advocates are far more interested in punishing people who have guns stolen from them than they are in punishing the thief? is this because gun ownership is what they see as the real crime?