Biden plans to ask Congress for funding to develop new COVID vaccine, may require shot for all

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't matter where you are, the unvaccinated have done most of the dying.

    I gave you an international data source.
     
  2. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Not really. Covid is now endemic. It will return every season forever like the common cold I suffered over he past couple of weeks. We are in the season right now. Covid will recur every cold season. So say the epidemiologists. You must think they shoot from the hip but I think the history of viral diseases is pretty clear about how they work.
     
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    Public health is not an enumerated power of federal government in the constitution. Therefor it belongs in the states. You may have noticed that all of the actual work done in managing covid was at the state and local level. Federal government simply made pronouncements and paid for vaccines. Inappropriate role of federal government.
     
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    The huge majority of deaths were among the aged who died, most likely, from preexisting conditions exacerbated by being sick from covid. Covid attacks the pulmonary system so those with pulmonary conditions - COPD, asthma etc were those most affected. I'm not sure government has much of a handle on vaccination status. If vaccination status was investigated after death that would surprise me. Certainly we didn't perform autopsies. Doctors reported covid as the cause of death on certificates for those who had tested positive. Who knows what the actual cause of death was. The statistics, in my view, are interesting but not definitive.
     
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    Political power and control are like an addictive drug to these people. They can't give it up. Covid is now endemic and not so dangerous as it was in its heyday.
     
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    How is public health not part of public welfare? What is MORE welfare than HEALTH?
     
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    You wish....
     
  8. LangleyMan

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    No, really. Government finances research into vaccines against all corona viruses. You oppose that, too? Removing colds from our lives would improve worker productivity.
    Duh.
    A future variant may be more dangerous. We don't even know if your a guess is a good one.
    Even most experts say we don't know if future covid waves will be confined to the winter months.
    No, they don't say. I doubt many would agree with your sweeping assertion: "Yes and government has no business funding it..." (see above).
    I think it describes you.
    Scientists looking for a universal coronavirus vaccine are stupid or lining their pockets?
     
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    Automobiles and furniture are a part of public welfare as well. I didn't say it wasn't important. I said it goes beyond the defined role of federal government. The states and localities do the actual public health. There isn't even a reason for federal government to get involved in it. The constitution defines clearly the role of federal government. That lawmakers have ignored it doesn't change anything except for the amount of corruption in government.
     
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    You literally said it was not part of public welfare. Why are you going back on that?
     
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    Indeed and something our society should embrace, just not in federal government

    Not if it stays in line with all the other similar viral diseases in recorded history. Viruses evolve to be less dangerous because killing its host is bad for reproduction.

    No viral diseases are confined to winter months. They spread faster in winter months.

    See the 10th amendment. You are right. Most people approve of federal government ignoring it. I'm in a decidedly small minority. I assume the words in the constitution represent what the founders wanted them to represent.

    [/quote]I think it describes you.[/quote]

    No I have just described medical science. I didn't invent any of it.

    Neither. Nothing wrong with vaccines. Just something wrong with federal government dealing with them. Thanks for mischaracterizing what I wrote.
     
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    No I didn't. I said that public health has no business being in federal government. C'mon, stop inventing my meaning. My words are what I said and what I meant.
     
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    They're still dead when the might have lived longer.
    Duh.
    They do in Canada.
    Until recently, every hospitalized patient was given a PCR test so they knew who had covid and might infect other patients and healthcare workers. They have the vaccination status of patients, maintained by every province and territory in the country.
    In Canada, they knew if they died with covid because every hospitalized patient got a PCR test.
    The stats speak for themselves.

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    Covid vaccinations save many lives. How many lives saved is another matter.

    What we don't know doesn't give you the moral authority to conclude, "Yes and government has no business funding it or mandating it. Covid is now endemic like all the other corona viruses. We need to treat it that way.
     
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    The Constitution says that public welfare is the business of the federal Congress. So either public health isn't part of public welfare or it is under the purview of Congress. There are no other options. Make up your mind.
     
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    And ruined their profit margin?
     
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    Seems to me it started in South Carolina and moved to China
     
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    Originally subject to the Bill of Rights that has been all but abolished.
     
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    Yeah. That’s it.
     
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    Not according to the British database that I posted several times that clearly shows that there were far more vaccinated deaths than there were unvaccinated for all age groups with one exception and one exception only and that is the perfectly healthy with absolutely zero comorbidities.

    Combine that with less than one week later after the Brits published their data Biden called an end to the covid pandemic, I think someone was just talking about interesting coincidences add that to the pack.
     
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    Either way it was gain of function testing that is 100% illegal in the United States and coincidentally Fauci the head of the NIH just happened to approve all the funding for it, and just coincidentally made a shitload of money purely by accident I'm sure.

    Definitely a total mystery, very tough to add up what is going on here.
     
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    Does it say that Congress has a purview over public welfare or not? Yes or no?
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Does the Bill of Rights exist, yes or no?
     
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    Yes. Now, since I've answered your question and you have ran and hid from mine and will continue to avoid answering it, have a good day.
     
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    They have no legitimate authority to require anyone to put anything in their body or for that matter to prevent people from putting whatever they want in their body.
     
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    Ah so you've read the writing on the wall haha

    Does the governments authority for public weal supersede the Bill of Rights, yes or no.

    There now I've answered your question let's see if you answer mine.
     
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