Big Bang ushers in the heavens and the earth...?

I agree that things ought be more of a Reality which we can understand and some big break thru ought occur.
I think all these Physics guys are somehow off the mark and at a level of Alchemy by comparison to the Chemistry they will soon discover.

But what these men say is what we are stuck with right now.

My main thrust here is to show that our hard sciences do support the better reading of Genesis, and people ought wonder how these facts were known so long ago:

Gen 1:1 says a Big Bang beginning did happen.
Gen 1:2 says the formless disk of rocks rotation the Sun was void of global shape, which was true.
Gen 1:3-5 says the Dark Cosmic Age existed before there was any light in the Universe.
Gen 1:6-8 describes the forming of an atmosphere above and waters below.
Gen 1:9-10 describes "all the waters under heaven gathered together into one place," which was a Pangea-like truth.
Gen 1:11-13 explains that the Plant Kingdom came before the Animal Kingdom, which was true.
Gen 1:14-19 tells us that God assigned the Sun and Moon and Stars to keep time on Earth. ("made" in Hebrew means "assigned.")
Gen 1:20-31 explains about the animals and finally, man, made to image "Reality," mentally, in the form of Truth inside his mind.

Chapters 4, 5, and 10 explain the correspondences of the Genealogy with the species of Paleontology:




Genesis 6,7,8,and 9 tells that a great "flood" out-of-Africa took place when all other mankind went extinct, as did happen not 40 "days" ago, but 40,000 years ago.

 

Well of course, Bohm and Basil Hiley, are not pushing any sort of creationism, in fact, both would dispute that. Of course it would be easy for a theist to use the Implicate Order as a basis for their beliefs, but there is no personal god involved here, just Information that unfolds, and then enfolds, with the quantum level being a process, as we as organisms are also a process. It requires a change in paradigm in the way we look at reality, yet Hiley says that the mathematics used for prediction still apply. But Bohm's ideas about the Implicate Order, allows a coherent model to be built, with the human brain being able to understand what is happening at the quantum level. For as Hiley says, if you think you are not clever enough to understand what the current theories propose, forget about it, for even the most clever cannot get a firm handle on it either. Coming from a physicist, that worked with Bohm, I think he is worthy of voicing such a thing. If anyone thinks they understand quantum mechanics, apparently they don't know enough about that field. So, if anyone here maintains that he understands it, that should be a red flag, for they obviously are lying. And so don't believe or trust in anything else they might say. It's just the manifestation of a monumental ego talking...

 

Dave......the manner by which all Qantum Particle/Wave Forms were ejected from the White Hole and this ejection is what we call the Big Bang.....all that Quanta if OBSERVED PRIOR TO EJECTION.....would have to have been observed IN ANOTHER DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATE OF REALITY....because OUR UNIVERSE AND SPACE-TIME DID NOT EVEN YET EXIST PRIOR TO THE EJECTION!!!

If is was OBSERVED it would have had to been observed in that other Universe PRIOR to being sucked into the BLACK HOLE as every Black Hole wich causes an actual RIP IN THE FABRIC OF UNIVERSAL SPACE TIME...and that RIP wouild have occured in that OTHER UNIVERSE.....thus OBSERVATION OF SAID QUANTA prior to it's being sucked into that Black Hl would have locked in FUNCTION AND VALUE SPECIFIC TO THAT OTHER UNIVERSAL STATE OF REALITY.

Thus it COULD NOT be transfered into this NEW Universe that was being generated as Quanta was ejected into it.

AboveAlpha

 

If anything was a reality concerning Bohms ideas.....the Physical Laws of our Universe would and could not work!!

Quantum Mechanics does NOT associate at all with Macro Level Celestial Mechanics because Quantum Mechanics involves a LARGER SYSTEM thus a MULTIVERSE.

You can't have Particle/Wave Duality and Frequency using Bohms concepts.

AboveAlpha

 

I am curious what you think of this explanation for Black Holes?

As you can guess.......... I thought that it was kind of brilliant?!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html#a05

 

Well.....here's the thing.

Light...which as Photons.....which are Quantum Particle/Wave Forms....are created through processes of Nuclear Fission.....Nuclear Fusion....Chemical Reaction.

Photons although a part of the Electromagnetic Scale along with Radio Waves, Micro Waves, X-Rays....etc...etc...as Radio Waves are basically ELECTRONS existing at a specific Frequency being Broadcast.

Electrons....HAVE A SMALL MICRO-MASS.

PHOTONS HAVE ZERO MASS!!!

And when you see something....when you see with your eyes or by a sensor....Matter....you are simply seeing ONLY THE REFLECTION OF PHOTONS OFF THAT MATTER!!!

Photons do NOT make up any aspect of MATTER.....however PHOTONS can be generated by Matter in processes of Fission, Fusion and Chemical reaction.

But MATTER wich is comprised of ATOMS which themselves are comprised of AN ATOMIC NUCLEUS containing usually both Protons and Neutrons with the exception of Hydrogen which does not have any Neutrons....and a number of Electrons equal to the number of existing Protons in the Nucleus as these Electrons exist in ELECTRON ORBITAL FIELDS surrounding the Atomic Nucleus and CHEMICAL REACTIONS are highly dependent upon which specific orbits might be full or not in such Electron Orbital Fields.

So....Light...or Photns....NO NOT MAKE UP EVERYTHING!!!

Not even close.

AboveAlpha

 

True!

This is exactly what another near death experiencer was shown during their OOBE.

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

 

Not to be critical, but light comes from electrons, as they are rising and falling back into orbit again, inside Atoms, themselves.

Radio waves come from electrons moving up and down an antenna.
But it is rue that Photons have zero mass and are quantums of energy moving as if energy is like a particle absent any weight.
When see things, we are really detecting weightless quantums of light and using our nerve cells in the brain to interpret what they mean in regard to what we are looking at.

 

So he is saying that the "Realm" is what we all call Reality,... right?
And this "Realm" gives birth to Truth which man can discover in bits and pieces, and use to develop ideas about Reality.

To live inside this "Realm" men need Truth in order to adapt to it and avoid extinction.

 

The SCIENCE story says that 7 million years ago, by an Act-of-God, two the 24 Ape chromosomes in a womb fused together and created a creature with only 23 chromosomes thereafter.

This first man then experienced 22 now extinct changes into other species.
The final end was Modern Homo sapiens which lived after a great extinction that killed off all other lower types of men, but represented three racial stocks, much as Ham, Japheth, and Shem are recognized in Genesis.

 

Most physicists just avoid the issues of quantum physics while they use whatever information works when they need to.
The major mystery remains the in the observation of the Double Slit Experiment.

Today, the Copenhagen Interpretation is what they accept now, and there is no evidence for a few way out ideas, even the Multi-verse concepts.
Nothing you posted above however references the First Cause idea which these ideas you suggest ignore totally.

 

Your hypothesis of another Universe existing wherein an observer created this Universe is interesting as an idea.
It is reasonable to the CI concept too, and might be what happened, if we could find some evidence for it.
But the point remains, that a Creator did exist before the Big Bang, and that is my point here.

 

You're perverting history by trying to fuse reality with a creationist fable.

 

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You are just ignoring that Christ said, "I am the Truth,... and the way and the life."
Hence his Father then would be Reality which creates Truth for us.

Logically Truth is the son of Reality.
Truth is the image of Reality.
Truth is the savior for mankind which aids our survival in a changing Reality.
Truth is the only way men can understand Reality, too, hence part of a trinity.

 

Oh come on that doesn't even make sense. Your word games are most horrible. I don't even know what to say.

Well, how about this: if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas!

 

A Photon is a particle of electromagnetic radiation, and Electron is a low mass charged particle. A Photoelectron is just a regular electron, the "photo" prefix simply means that it is set free from an atom by photon excitation.



What is the difference between photon and electron?

• Photon is a packet of energy while electron is a mass.

• The photon does not have a rest mass but an electron has a rest mass.

• The photon can go at the speed of light, but for an electron, it is theoretically impossible to obtain the speed of light.

• The photon displays more wave properties whereas the electron displays more particle properties.

LINK....http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-photon-and-vs-electron/

AboveAlpha

 

You continue to post statements that define an Ape as different from a Human Being.

This is incorrect.

Human's ARE APES!!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Your not understanding this.

If such Quanta destined to be ejected into this existing Universe was first OSERVED in the other Universe with the Black Hole that would connect to a generated WHITE HOLE from which the Big Bang would occur generating THIS Universe.....if Observed prior to be sucked into that Black Hole.....THAT QUANTA WOULD HAVE IT'S FUNCTION AND VALUE LOCKED INTO THAT OTHER UNIVERSE THUS IT COULD NOT BE EJECTED FROMA WHILE WHOLE BEING GENERATED TO CAUSE A BIG BAND THAT GENERATED THIS UNIVERSE!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Don't be too hard on Dave.

He at least has the ability to THINK and not be a Robot programmed by Religious Ideology.

Dave's not where he needs to be yet....but I have FAITH....the only kind of Faith I have.

AboveAlpha

 

So, you want me to be nice to cupid dave, huh? Okay fine! I'll give it a try. But I'm not going to ignore everything he says. Not that I have much to add anyway.

The thing is if dave's bubble finally bursts, the way you think it will, believe me it's not going to be pretty.

Hear that cupid dave? If the world starts feeling strange, disorienting, and alien don't give up! You just have to hold on a little more. You can deal with it, many others have already gone through it. You'll find your special place in time.

 

Let's try this again, and sorry dave if I was mean to you in the other post.

Here's the thing: reality isn't a person. It's hard for me to believe that the Bible is saying that.

And, further more, I don't believe in the Bible, so those words have no meaning to me.

What I do is look at what we know: that evolution exists, that the universe had a natural start; and I conclude that there's no magic thinking whatsoever. The Bible, an ancient religious text, doesn't have the foundations of knowledge about the real world to make the kind of predictions you attribute to the Bible.

 

If you believe you own words (above) AA you should at least read something of the subject. If you did you by your own word would have to at least give the subject the benefit of the doubt. I didn't know what the MF were yesterday so I have been reading about it, its not that far out. So I suggest anyone read about it before criticizing. Me? I can not say if its a good theory a quack etc but I can say from what I have read so far is that MF has far more merit than a fairy tale.

>>>>Excerpt from>>>>>http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_morphic01.htm

intro to Morphic fields in biology (from the web);

By Alfred Rupert Sheldrake >>>> English scientist,[3][4] author,[3] public speaker,[5] and researcher >>>>>>"morphic resonance" concept.[7] He worked as a biochemist and cell biologist at Cambridge University from 1967 to 1973[3] and as principal plant physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics >>>>>

Sheldrake; "My interest in evolutionary habits arose when I was engaged in research in developmental biology, and was reinforced by reading Charles Darwin, for whom the habits of organisms were of central importance.

As Francis Huxley has pointed out, Darwin’s most famous book could more appropriately have been entitled The Origin of Habits.
Morphic fields in biology
Over the course of fifteen years of research on plant development, I came to the conclusion that for understanding the development of plants, their morphogenesis, genes and gene products are not enough. Morphogenesis also depends on organizing fields.
The same arguments apply to the development of animals. Since the 1920s many developmental biologists have proposed that biological organization depends on fields, variously called biological fields, or developmental fields, or positional fields, or morphogenetic fields."

Microbiology, especially Botany while interesting is not my forte, still I know enough of basics to be interested in knowing more about MF. There are questions that science is struggling to answer so we should at least be open to new or old ideas.

reva

 

Wrong! According to the gods head of science, evolution man evolved from a common ancestor, not apes. While humans are ‘DNA similar’ up to 97>99%(!) to chimps and modern apes we didn't evolve from apes. I am astonished that you AA make such basic flubs and even more astonished that the PF readership does not correct your mistakes. There is nothing wrong with making mistakes but I am just going nuts to see the readership silent either from ignorance or from just being nice guys that they will not correct a basic mistake!

I find myself in the awkward position of defending evolution which I feel is an incomplete THEORY at best, while evolution hugging atheists are mum. But what I say is truth and I urge anyone to check it out. Anyway, to flesh out my correction/claim of your flub I will just say that Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees.(there is a bone for ya). The Science priests believe our common ancestor (adam?lol) ‘appeared’ (rather quickly I might add) up to eight million years ago. Nearly as soon as adamlol, the common ancestor appeared the species diverged (goddidit) into two separate lines of species. One of these lineages split off evolving into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids (adam with the lol suffix) I better say the adam-lol and adam name was my creation, but the info is scientifically accurate. I urge my nemesis’s and other rev haters to check it.

reva

 

Are you and AA one and the same? Just curious...You guys write the same way, agree with all the wrong stuff the same way....are double accounts legal here at PF. They were on a site I posted on for a year. But so many members began creating their own cheerleaders etc the site failed for that and other reasons.

reva

 

Nope we're not the same person. It's just that I like AboveAlpha and some of his bad habits like writing stuff in caps have rubbed off on me. I also listen to what he says and take it as fact.

The reason it looks like we agree with everything (no that's not true), is he's said some of the same things I've heard said before, from chemistry to evolution. I have no reason to doubt him. Plus at least once, on the more "conspiracy theory" topics he said something that I know to be true, but I can't talk about it in public.

The reason I'm telling you all of this is because I'm trying to explain to you that although we seem to be alike we are not actually the same person. Any appearance as such is probably due to me listening to what he says combined with us knowing similar facts and experiences.