Bikers descend on Sturgis rally with few signs of pandemic

Use in private browsing.

 

Yeah, yeah. It's likely and maybe there is T cell immunity.
You are the one lacking facts.
We know Queens was near immunity because we measured it.

 

I have paid subscriptions in the past. If an entity provided enough value I would now. The NY Times provides no value. I probably wouldn’t read it if it were “free”.

Do you understand the concept of advertising in media? Why do you think the vast majority of news sources make news available without subscription fees? Consuming the advertising that is paired with news is me paying for the news. I can’t believe I’m having to explain this. LOL.

Why does the Times have to charge a fee and profit from advertising? The fact they can’t thrive on advertising alone should tell you something. If it’s just greed and not a survival tactic maybe that should tell you something as well.

Who’s working for free? Holy cow.

 

What facts am I lacking? Please enlighten us. LOL. Remember in July when I told you about the levels of immunity in NYC and you argued with me about it and wouldn’t accept the facts I presented then? I do.

 

Even when newspapers were only in print, I still had to pay for a subscription.

 

One bough is not NYC.

Show me where Sweden has measured 40% infection rate.

 

So? How much advertising was included? How many people saw those ads compared to online content with ads today?

 

Actually, just saying, I consulted one of the mods (actually the most senior one, the de facto admin) on the pay wall issue regarding major publications like the New York Times and she said it's fine to quote the NYT - they do give an allowance of five articles per month, I think, and you typically can access it if you clear your cache or use another browser, so she said it's OK to quote them. Given that these days some major publications like The NYT, the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal are practicing the pay wall, excluding them would be a blow to a forum that discusses politics.

 

I never claimed one borough is NYC.

If you read the thread I provided in its entirety it shows Sweden is clearly around 30% which is my claim, not 40%. Why not use my claim instead of changing it? I used very conservative calculations so who knows. Maybe it’s 40%.

 

You must be young. Papers have been overflowing with ads, since I was a kid in the late 60's. They are hard to miss.

 

Fair enough. But if I can’t access it I can’t discuss it can I? A link isn’t supposed to be the argument, you are supposed to make arguments and support them with a link. If that had been done I wouldn’t care much about pay walls.

 

Exactly my point. But you need to answer the part about how many people see the print ad tailored to one general demographic vs. online content with tailored ads to individuals. You must be very old not to understand the value of tailored high volume advertising in online content. LOL

 

We discussed NYC. You just discussed Queens.
That thread is 20 pages long, just show me the actual measurements that would make Sweden number a fact.
Oh, and quit whining and use a private browser.

 

Ah, so you feel they are making enough money already, and shouldn't need any more. Yeah, LOL, 'cause that's how business works.

 

I used Queens as a specific example recently because it has very low mask usage now. Most of NYC has a very high infection rate. I’ve been over that repeatedly here on PF since early July.

Here’s my most relevant post from the thread I linked you to.

If I use a private browser and cheat the Times out of their subscription fee, will @Curious Always be upset? LOL

Seriously, I will take your advice. Thanks for the tip. I guess I don’t have much experience with private browsers as I’ve never had much interest in hiding anything etc.

 

Every business gets to decide how they operate. The Times can charge whatever they want. We can all choose to pay or not. Or go through the back door as @ronv recommends.

I don’t care if you subscribe to the Times. Why does it bother you that I take my business to other outlets with business models I prefer? Again, who’s working for free because I don’t currently subscribe to a publication? Time to back up your rhetoric.

 

Actually you don't need to for that link.
Covid articles are free.

 

I like you both, but I should say, @557 doesn't lack facts. He's a very well-informed poster. I know, from long exchanges with him, and I value his opinions. We may not be 100% politically aligned, but that's fine; that's why we are here, to debate stuff; I don't crave discussions with people who are 100% aligned with me because it would be like a sounding board. But on scientific matters, I respect 557's intellectual curiosity and level of information.

 

Normally I do to, but in this case he is making assumptions. Those are not facts.
There is no hard data that says Sweden has herd immunity. Only an assumption that future infections looked like past ones.
There is data that suggest certain zip codes in NYC are very close to herd immunity, which is why I posted that link with the hard data to support it. But there is no such data that all of NYC has herd immunity. Far from it.

 

What? The freaking New York Times provides no value??? The best known newspaper in the entire world? The one that has won not one, not two, but 130 freaking Pulitzer Prizes (which by the way is more than any other newspaper) and 5 Peabody Awards??? So, you think they are not doing well (you sound like President Trump on this) despite their 1,000,000 copies for the Sunday paper and half a million for the other days, and 2,900,000 digital subscribers???

And you say there is no value? I mean, maybe you don't subscribe to their political alignments of their op-eds and that's fine, but it can't be denied that they cover in depth a large variety of news, domestic and international, plus, they have spectacular sections for the NY metropolitan events, business, great coverage of the arts (including classical music), a great Sciences section, styles, travel, the works; and the Summer Times come with the Sunday Review magazine, the books review issue which serves as the standard-setter for the entire book industry (you've heard of books being advertised as a "New York Times Bestseller", right?), the New York Times Magazine, etc. etc.

Do a survey in the entire world and see what people in all countries of this planet respond if you ask them, "what's the most important newspaper in the United States of America?" I'll give you my house for free if the majority won't say "The New York Times."

And regarding your objection to their fees, since when it is not OK for a business to make money, in our capitalist country?

 

Let me play your math game.
Todays numbers in Sweden (ball park)
1,100,000 tests.
86,000 cases.
7.8% positive.
I think it's safe to say 50% of undiagnosed cases are asymptomatic.
So 15.6% Have had it.
1,100,000 tests out of 10 million people. Margin of error, 0.56%.

 

Sorry, I made a mistake here. I should have stopped right after the peak.
That would put the number at 18.2%.

 

So...today is September the 8th, was their a big spike in cases?

 

Why should anybody pay money to have government propaganda delivered to their inbox? You can do the same thing for free by watching mainstream media on TV.

 

Tell that to the NYT. It won’t let me access it I my normal browser.