Bombshell: Nunes Says There Was "Incidental Surveillance" Of Trump During Obama Administration

Seriously??? Nunes said it was all legal! The only inappropriate thing he's claiming is that proper protocols were not followed in unmasking incidental persons. Is that clear?

 

Gray area, hmm? Is it legal or illegal?

If it's legal, then Trump wins. If it's illegal, then Obama loses.

 

Very.

 

And exactly how would any incidental information undermine the administration? I mean I guess it's possible but seems extremely improbable. But hey, what trumpists isn't always down for a good ole conspiracy theory? Did you hear that Obama wasn't really born in Hawaii?

 

Who gave the go ahead to commit the felonious unmasking?

 

“No individual in the United States can direct electronic surveillance of anyone. It has to go through an application process, ask a judge, and the judge then makes the order,” Comey explained.

“So President Obama could not unilaterally order a wiretap of anyone?” Schiff asked in response.

“No president could,” Comey responded.

 

Now that's the question. But again, I don't think Nunes said any laws were necessarily broken. Last I heard that was the determination he was trying to make. Maybe I missed it?

 

He said the only crime uncovered thus far in the Russian conspiracy investigation was the felony unmasking. He also said there will be evidence of who OK'ed it.

 

Until there is evidence that would stand up in court, I will agree with Greenwald that this conspiracy theory is 'crazy talk". Is it possible that one person was colluding with Russia? Sure, but if such a thing happened it was limited to one person, and that would be Manafort. And if he did, there would be evidence of that, and the NSA has it. But IMO the odds are against it. So it is a tiny possibility, almost nonexistent, yet logically it has to be there. Just unlikely. My opinion would change if MSM would talk to ambassador Murray, and investigate his claims, and throw reasonable doubt on his claims. But they will not touch him. And MSM black outs are always red flags, to critical minds. I am puzzled why I am the only one here to bring up this murray issue. That doesn't make sense, and one wonders why. Given who Murray is, and what he had done...he was a whistle blower about our CIA using the nation he was ambassador to, as a place to do torture. If you try to find him on you tube, after he broke this story that Russia was not the source for wilkileaks, he is GONE. Plenty of older videos on his earlier work, but he seems now to have vanished from you tube. He isn't even being talked to on alternative media, which generally would give him voice. I find this weird. The man comes out, breaks the story, and MSM ignores him, then he just vanishes. There is a group, of retired intel men for sanity, that initially mentioned they knew when murray met the insider in DC to get the hand off of the leaks, for he did not attend their get together in a DC bar after they had met during the day but murray had skipped the drinking and met someone in a DC park. This is when Ray McGovern, retired CIA said Murray got the info and returned it to the UK. William Binney is in this group, of retired intel men. There are several of them, all credible men of integrity. This is information for those interested in fact and truth should at least be made aware of.

 

Johnson bugged political opponents.

 

I am not a believer in the birther argument.

Trumpists? Come on.....It just undermines your argument to not take you seriously when you use terms like that. You put yourself in the same class as Natty and Frank and others who seem to take a hard far left stance with no integrity and no actual intelligent debating skills. They are not interesting in anything but trolling, in my opinion. I engage them, because it's fun kicking their tails.

If you want to gain back the seats and the White House and turn the current Administration into a one term Presidency, then gathering Intel and spinning false stories is a good way. They got Flynn, who was rightfully fired, but they got his name out in the public, illegally. Throw crap against a wall and see what sticks.

 

Yet one wonders if comey is investigating who the criminals are. Who authorized the unmasking and why? MSM is not covering this much, but are still trying to take trump down, by yellow journalism, as real crimes are being ignored by them. These crimes happened under the Obama admin.

 

Ummm, he said unequivocally that the intel in which the unmasking occurred had NOTHING to do with Russia. You should try to keep up.

 

You don't need to illegally collect intel to spin false stories. I'm sorry but I find your claim to be extremely improbable.

 

Off topic....

I can respect a person (kind of) who says that they had no choice but to vote for trump because of the pitiful D opponent. I can't respect a person who believes trump has a shred of intelligence. I can provide clip after clip of completely incoherent rambling. In the best case he's a puppet for competent, patriotic men. In the worst case he's a puppet for evil insider crony zealots. One thing is certain though, trump has the intellect of a child.

 

That's right. Two completely separate and unconnected investigations.

 

are you that Naïve?

Yes Obama cant legally do so but when did the law keep Obama from doing what he wants?

your absurd assertion would be like saying no one can be murdered because we have laws against murder

 

At the moment it looks like the FBI is not being honest. Comey's stuttering and weak testimony will be revealed by the NSA and other intelligence agencies as...let's be kind and say, misleading.