Boris Johnson gives green light for Huawei 5G infrastructure role

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you think Trump will react to this?

    more details at link

    https://www.theguardian.com/technol...green-light-for-huawei-5g-infrastructure-role

    In addition I watched a video the other day where the US man said the 5G has 2 components one for your phone but another which amounts to 24hours a day surveillance. Anyone know anything about that?

    Anyway is this the end of the UK deal with the US.
     
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    It's my understanding the Chinese version is superior to the US version of 5G.
     
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    Wrong decision. The UK govt classifies Huawei as a high risk supplier so should be nowhere near the telecoms infrastructure.
    End of US trade deal.
     
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    From what I understand there is not much of an option for 5G hardware by the US. Cisco and Qualcomm seems to be the only company's that would be classified as the "US" version. The Chinese have a handful of companies and other European companies like Ericsson and Nokia are supposed to have some pretty solid gear. I'm sure Samsung makes some pretty solid hardware as well, South Korea was the first to roll out a network.

     
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    Isn't S. Korea using Huawei?
     
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    :thumbsup::thumbsup:
    Apparently Huawei hardware is a part of their network. I also read one of their three providers use Huawei hardware for their network.

    I think as new as the tech is, and the need for a lot of antennas, that trying to depend on one or two hardware providers will be a setback.

     
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    5G installation progress being slowed here in the USA due to a lack of tower climbers willing to climb the towers and install the necessary equipment.It is apparently a very high risk job that is not particularly well compensated.
     
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    I am not sure this is legit. However if it means we do not do a deal with the US then that is fine with me. I do not want to be a permanent poodle of the US. We will of course have to do a better deal with the EU.

    According to RT he wants to do a deal with both the States and China and decided to try and do a compromise. They have someone on seeing it as compromising both our share of intelligence and the deal. I really do not care about either. I think it will be much better for us to free ourselves from the US which is a rogue state.
     
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    I believe some European countries, one being Switzerland, are against 5G because of high radiation risks near the towers??
     
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    High radiation? Five G isn't nuclear. Right?
     
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    4G is fine...is it not? I had little issue with 3G if honest.....Another market Fad
     
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    As I am older, I am happy with HDTV and just using my smart phone as a smart phone. Very little to no application use on my phone, but 5G is supposed be a lot more than using a cell phone like 3&4G.

    1) One of the benefits for example of 5G is a few years down the line when 4K and 8K get bigger and you would like to stream those formats. 4K can be around 4 to 5 times larger data wise than 1080p, 8K is even worse. Also consider VR formats will also be monsters data wise.
    2) Self driving car possibilities.
    3) Smart city possibilities.
    4) More automation, possible medical aspects have been talked about.
     
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    All Chinese companies, by Chinese law, are Poodles of the Chinese Communist Party.
    And by law they must operate as extensions of the party and its interests.
    I grew up with a Australian academia sounding like poodles of Mao.
    Some people on this forum sound like they are in the same boat.
     
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    The best insightful post on this thread that I’ve read. Nails the truth, spot on.
     
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    I assumed the demonizing of China, and in particular Huawei, was to protect companies like Apple and Erikson from superior competition.
    I also assume that already, with our smartphones and Alexa and whatnot, the state(s) know all about us anyway.
    In terms of Britain and China, I am not aware of any historic or current threat to Britain from China, unlike the Opium wars where the British attacked China.
    (Memories go back a long way in China).
    The way the Chinese government is facing the virus crisis is enabled because of their social and political structures. I doubt that Western states could be so comprehensive.
     
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    I work in telecom and although I'm no expert on 5G, I see it as hype. I keep hearing more and more claims as to what it will be able to do, I am highly doubtful of the claims. It's basically a line of sight tech that has a max range of 500' and with walls or trees in the way more like 200'. Where other than densely populated cities are they going to deploy it? How are they going to feed all these access points? At work my 4G gets 60Mb downstream, what tech other than something very privacy invasive needs more than that?
     
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    Obviously it’s not working. The virus is spreading rapidly. Imprisoning entire cities is not a rational response; asking for Japanese and American help would be.
     
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    you have weird contraindicating thinking, at one hand you said china is the enemy at the other you encourage them to ask US help. do you ask your enemy for help or if this was US you think we gonna ask China for help?
    from medical perspective, quarantine is right call. from humanitarian/basic right its not. but china is authoritarian so they are not too worry about individual rights.
     
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    funny I just read a news other day, US government force facebook/google/yahoo to close account associate with iran/Venezuela on the ground of national security. do you honestly think the government can't force US company to spy its adversary. in early 2000s, china bought bunch cisco equipment do you know how many backdoor they found, many. so whether is US/Russia/china or else, if it come to national security they gonna use it.
     
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    EU is officially going to allow members to use or not use Huawei if they choose. No outright ban.

     
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    You missed the point: I'm not saying I'd help them in the name of humanity, or that America ought to help China in the name of the Brotherhood of Man; I'm saying, the CPC party is so closed-minded and so authoritarian, and so deluded by their collectivist ideology, that they are intellectually, psychologically, and morally incapable of doing the right thing--seeking help form their morally and intellectually superior capitalist betters.

    Furthermore, imprisoning 11 million people that will do nothing to stop the spread of the contagion, but feels and looks good to party members, exasperates the problem not solve it.

    Capitalist Australia has already duplicated the virus and a vaccine will not be far off. Are they talking to them? Bet not. Why? The superiority of the Chinese collective soul can't accept saving by any capitalist nation. That's not just demented, it's pure evil.

    From a purely medical perspective, sending the whole Chinese population to live on the moon with all contact forbidden from and to Earth would be a far superior isolation policy than imprisonment policy of 11 million on earth, a policy that will not stop the spread of the disease because it has already traveled around the world.

    Call Australia. Call Japan. Call Roche. Call America. That will help, not turning cities into concentration camps. And if I am one of the capitalist nations, I'm making China pay dearly--Let go of Hong Kong and Taiwan. And if I'm one of the profit-making capitalist corporations, I'm charging as much as the market will bear so that I can make huge profits to invent more medicines, vaccines, and treatments that will make me even more huge profits. They don't like it? They can die. The choice is theirs. Pay up, or belly up? What's it going to be, Xi Jinping, you mental midget?
     
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