BREAKING : Florida School shooting, 20 injured.

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  1. TOG 6

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    I'm sorry you do not like the fact the is designed to 2nd protects the rights of the minority; the fact you can only respond to this with non seqs and ad homs speaks rather loudly.
     
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    What a laugh. You are the one attacking me. You attacked me.
     
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    The fact you think this does not mean it is true.
    Tell us again why you believe the 2nd does not protect he rights of the minority.
     
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    Why should the majority be allowed to silent the minority? Such would have resulted in blacks continuing to be legal slaves to this day. Pray tell, why is mob rule supported by yourself?
     
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    When liberals think they have the mob behind them, they sport their true colors.
     
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    Yet another, another claim that is devoid of having a factual basis in reality.
     
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    The people of the united states do not like illegal aliens, and yet they are being told that they must accept them regardless. Why should those who choose to exercise their constitutional rights in a legal manner, be subject to fewer legal restrictions than illegal aliens who are devoid of a legal right to be in the united states?
     
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    If the liberal party truly favors the right of minorities, why should legal firearm owners have their rights violated for the sake of others when, by your own assessment, they themselves are a minority group?
     
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    What a joke. Gun owners and the NRA have the entire country by the balls. Suggesting you are oppressed is absurd. The mob is the NRA and obsessive gun owners, closer to 'the mob' as in the Godfather than any literal meaning of the term.
     
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    No statement pertaining to firearm owners being oppressed was made on the part of myself. It is merely being questioned why the minority should be silenced by the majority, simply for holding a different opinion? Should not such be equally applied to homosexuals who believe they have a right to marry other homosexuals?
     
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    Your hyperpartisan ad homs aside....
    Tell us again why you believe the 2nd does not protect he rights of the minority.
     
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    Maybe they took their Ritalin pills with it?
     
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    Colt started selling the AR-15 in 1964. The AK-47 has been in production since 1949. Columbine was the first really orchestrated school shooting on April 20, 1999. That's 35 years between introduction of the AR-15 and Columbine and 50 years since the introduction of the AK-47.

    Fascinating how for 35 years there were no mass school shootings with either the AR-15 or AK-47, but as realistic first person shooter computer games advanced realistically in conjunction with reckless prescribing of psychotropic drugs to teens and the school mass shootings started. If people are serious about stopping the tide of disturbed teens buying or stealing an AR-15 and shooting up a school like a first person shooter game, then those games should be banned for sale and possession. Add to that removing a psychiatrists ability to prescribe psychotropic drugs without the OK of a real physician.
     
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    I would only feel responsible for the ones caused by my gun and that's not going to happen unless I pull the trigger. Instead of gun control maybe we should hold the parents responsible in those instances.
     
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    I saw you present no example of anything.
     
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    The firing mechanism makes the AR-15 the same product as do all of the other features that are identical to the military version!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15

     
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    Just for the sake of clarification, is the claim being made by yourself being based on the issue of push pins, as this section was specifically bolded by yourself to add emphasis to it?

    If such is indeed the case, then the matter is based on a misunderstanding.

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    The above image demonstrates what push pins actually are. They are the two pins that hold the upper and lower assemblies together, and facilitate ease of disassembly for the purpose of cleaning.

    This is even noted on sites selling replacement firearm parts.

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2...-pin-with-sling-stud-250-diameter-ar-15-matte
     
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    They altered the pin diameter for this specific REASON!

    That alteration was subsequently dropped thus making it EASIER to modify a CIVILIAN AR-15 back to full MILITARY specifications.
     
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    Probably because only recently has it become the weapon of choice tor mass shooters.
     
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    Then the obvious question, is what exactly changed, that led to this development occurring? Was it simply one thing, or a number of contributing factors that resulted in a so-called "perfect storm" coming together that led to the development?
     
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    First, it must be noted that military specification does not translate directly into full-automatic firing capabilities. The united states military, as well as every other military, sets out specific specifications for everything it utilizes, ranging from material, to the density of the material, to even basic color. That is one reason there are so many different grades of aluminum and steel available.

    Second, to address the above. It is one possible explanation of such. But is it not equally possible that the change in pin diameter was performed on the part of the Colt Manufacturing Company simply to streamline production and supply on their part? Outside of the bolt carrier group, and the trigger group which determine the manner of discharge, the parts between the M16 and AR-15 are very similar to one another. Does it not make sense for common parts for two different but similar designs to be built to similar specifications to allow for interchangeability, and thus allow for avoiding a supply issue if armorers for the united states military were supplied push pins of the wrong diameter? Basic maintenance cannot be carried out if the wrong parts are supplied because they look similar, and could not be told from one another.

    Similar parts built to slightly differing standards requires different manufacturing process, and more dedicated storage to keep the similar products separated from one another, which can all come undone by someone at the factory simply not paying attention, and using nothing more than a cursory glance in filing the parts.

    Now then, to address the points raised in the citation.

    It must be noted that the receiver itself, while classified as being the firearm by the ATF, does not do anything more than house the other parts, and hold them together. It does nothing to affect the functionality of the firearm, or regulate the manner in which the firearm is discharged. Without the trigger group of the M16, the receiver, especially the upper receiver, is just a shell component. Even if someone could acquire the upper receiver of an M16 rifle, and placed it on the lower receiver of an AR-15, it would not have the ability to operate in a fully-automatic fashion. The lower receiver of the M16 would need to be acquired in order to achieve such. But if such could be done, it would be necessary to ask why the upper assembly was not acquired as well? And if the united states military is truly losing track of its M16 rifles, there are far worse issues in need of being addressed than parts commonality.

    Second, the citation presented by yourself specifically mentions competitor rifles in the reasoning for the change in design, meaning the AR-15 platform produced by a company other than the Colt Manufacturing Company. The change in front pin design is, more likely than not, to set their rifle apart from the same rifle of other companies, and make it proprietary to them and them alone.
     
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