Brexit Delay? The EU wants one, the UK does not.

....but its okay to import and export it with the aid of trade agreements.....??

...but rising death rates amongst the lard-arse yoots from obesity and obesity related ailments is okay...??

I don't follow you arguments. As you mentioned this crappy chicken is perfectly okay to eat the issue is that a group of animal rights people don't like the conditions these poor critters are kept in - neither do I.
I just took issue with Rhetoric of Life being beaten around the head with a dead chicken...mind you he did deserve it and @Mandelus was right to beat the crap out of him with it....

 

I don't know where you are getting the idea that the ban on chlorinated chicken is animal welfare related. There are plenty of animals kept in terrible conditions within the EU. It is a health and safety issue.

 

okay....

 

Well alright, health and safety plus protecting local chicken industries against the competition from filthy American factories and their cheaper products.

 

aye I don't disagree with you mate. But in the grand scheme of things its a load of crap when its used to scupper a trade agreement that would ultimately benefit the EU and the US.

and the Chinese and the Indians and and and and......so let's raise a glass to the great globalisation scam....and may we choke on it....have a great bank holiday weekend mate!

 

I will, it's the last weekend of my virtual juggling festival. Poker tournament in a couple of hours.

 

Chlorinated chicken is not a health and safety issue.
Children swim in chlorinated pools.

In the US after the chicken is killed it is sprayed with chlorine to kill all the bacteria.
It is a disinfectant that dissolves in water to make Hcl. Non toxic.

In the EU in the intersts of animal welfare (trade barrier) instead of waiting until the chicken is dead to kill any potential bacteria it is fed anti biotics while it is alive, allowing it a healthy disease free life. apparently,

This is a health risk as anti biotic immunity is a big medical issue.
American chicken is safer than EU chicken.
Their food standards are higher.

Arguably however their animal welfare standards are lower.
But that would be to miss the point. The reason the EU has these standards is to provide a WTO proof reason to ban foreign chicken from its markets.
It is a trade barrier raised to protect it's own domestic industry.


Those American battery farms i have seen pictured look like they hve chickes in much better living conditions and health that ours by the way,
The standards issue is nothing more than a trade barrier that keeps EU consumers paying a higher price for lower quality food.

 

Yes, BMW too.
Tariff barriers are a big incentive for car manufacturuers to move to the UK where they can have better access to our massive market for cars.
Trump raising US tariffs has prompted a lot of industry to return to Ameica too.

However, seeing will be believeing.

 

It isn't and there has never been any suggestion by either the UK or Ireland that anyone was ever going to do so.

So why do you even raise the subject?
We know why.

The EU has tried to blag us over Ireland and just as with our fisheries we have given it the finger and told it where to go.

Sorry but that line of attack on us has failed.
Your international reputation is in tatters.

The entire world has watched you make cynical bluff after cynical bluff in an attempt to screw the UK. And each time we call your bluffs you don't just look deceitful, you look weak.


A WTO exit is good enough for us.
We will take a trade deal if you can offer a good one.
We think you can't.

Maybe after 4 years of WTO if your EU still exists, with the playing field levelled we might be able to start negotiations for a trade deal in proper.

Because right now you feel like an aggreived party who is losing something by our leaving.
And not an independent entity looking for mutual adavantage.

I think that given enough time to come to terms with your loss, we can start these talks again from a better perspective.

 

So what controls will be in place on the land border between the UK and the EU?

 

No one is saying that ingesting the bleach is a health and safety issue. It's the low hygiene standards which lead to chlorination being necessary that's the issue. If the standards are so bad in the slaughter houses you have to worry about the rest of the production process.

 

They aren't rebuilding military checkpoints in breach of the Good Friday Agreement if that is your concern.
There is no remilitarisation planned.

Nothing is going to change on the face of it.
Importing from and exporting to S.Ireland will require paperwork where before it did not.

What were you expecting to change?

 

How do you feel about the hygiene standards which require the pasteurisation of milk?

 

How confident are you in an industry which requires food to be bleached and allows harmful growth hormones to be injected into animals?
Why would you want our food industry to be undercut by foreign competitors with such shoddy practises?

I bought unpasteurised buttermilk from a local farm last week because I have faith in their hygiene standards. I would not have faith in any production post-slaughter in a system which requires bleaching and would not want our own food industry to have to compete with one which cuts corners for profit.

 

Do you beleive that their cows do not have bacteria inside them?
Hahahaha. How dio they digest grass without bacteria?
What hygiene practises do cows follow that makes their milk antisceptic? Hahahaha.
You are funny man.

I am very confident with American food.
I am very unconfident that EU food has no anti biotics in it..
I have nealry died twice so far from anti biotic immunity. And this is a medical concern for the nation and indeed the world.
Growth hormone raises an eyebrow, but it doesn't ring alarmbells like anti biotitics do.
I doubt it is injected into animals. It will be part of their food.

I also like my meat that is labelled beef to be beef and not horse or donkey.
Paying extra for donkey meat? No thanks.

Mad Cow disease....lol!
Couldn't ever happen in the EU. Lol.

EU food standards are a lot lower than their trade barriers.

 

So you are happy to sacrifice British food producers to save yourself a bit of cash. Even if that means eating a potentially dangerous product due to inferior hygiene practices.
I don't actually eat dead animals but I wouldn't want to see our food industry crushed by cheap and sub-standard American products for the sake of establishing a one-sided trade deal.

The horsemeat scandal was clearly a breach of existing EU and UK law so not relevant to this discussion.
BSE was a massive gaff and unlikely to be repeated.

 

What happens if people and traffic sails across the border without paperwork, and what systems will be in place to check on that paperwork?

 

There is no paperwork required to cross the border.

The system we have in place to check the paperwork is called HMRC.
Customs and excise. We have had these systems forever. They are in operation today and always have been.
You are going to declare your taxes and if HMRC doesn't beleive you they are going to inspect you. And their inspections will be very very painful. So most people will declare their taxes in the hope of avoiding this.

Inspection points are to be created at two NI ports.
A couple of portacabins, I am thinking.

 

There was a new horsemeat scandal this week.
EU rules don't seem to be worth spit.

Since you don't eat meat, you won't understand how very much better US meat is.
They set the standard. Not some self loving EU pretenders.
The reason EU trade barriers for agriculture are so high is because it is not the best available. It needs to be protected. It doesn't compete in the open market.




I think there could be a hit to British food producers.
I would prefer to subsidise them than sacrifice them. The potential hit to EU exports can be replaced by non EU sales (or even just lowered profits from the EU), but they may have to sell cheaper.
Shortfalls can be covered by subsidy.

However, British farming is the most efficient farming on earth.
We are the world leaders in this.

It's not like foreign farmers can outcompete ours on the global markets.
They can't.

I think Lichenstein is the only country on earth that beats us at farming but they are too small to be much of a threat to us. Their supply is limited.

 

What about crossing the border with no paperwork and not being UK taxpayers?
What about people who cross the border, not goods?

 

Sorry ... but nonsense!
Forst of all ... without import of food you will be in serious trouble in UK ... because you produced and still produc enot enough for all on yur island. Thats a fact and so much about your so much better farmers in UK

 

Speaking purely personally I would love to see the meat and fish and animal consumption industries collapse worldwide overnight.
I realise I am in a tiny minority and sadly it won't happen.

 

Honestly and as I still wrote...

If someone wants to be vegan or vegetarian for whatever reason, he or she should be. I have no problem with it and everyone should be as happy and be as they want ... BUT:

If someone wants to prohibit me, directly or indirectly, from continuing to eat meat and at an acceptable price in relation to my income, then the fun and understanding suddenly stops!
Of course there are scandalous conditions in the industry and I also advocate corresponding strict rules that prevent this ... for which I am also willing to pay a little more.
But if someone plays play up to me as the head teacher and want to talk me into a guilty conscience because I like to eat meat, they can stick their plan where it is very dark and where people usually sit with.

My older son's ex-GF was such a vegan ... who wanted to teach me like she was on a mission. Was a really big mistake ... with my son in the kitchen with us, so type living bone frame of woman, where you have to be careful during sex that nothing breaks there ... and was as snooty at philosophizing. I come in and want to make a bun with salami for breakfast and the bitch immediately starts scolding like an inquisitor. I just said "Really?" ... took the pan and cut 3 more eggs and bacon into the pan until it escaped from the kitchen with my son because of the smell of the bubbling bacon.
Later my son said he would complain to me about it and he said that she would not come back to him when I was home.
I just said: "Are you totally stupid now? THIS IS MY HOUSE AND THEIR RULES APPLY MY RULES ... not yours and certainly not your girlfriend's. But don't worry about her threat because your girlfriend has from now on" No entry "here ...! And if that doesn't suit you, you can pluck your things and move to her! Basta and end of the discussion!"

BTW ... my son is no longer vegan when he later broke up with her or she broke up with him ... no matter ... funny what?

 

I'm with you on fishing and intensively farmed meat but I'd be sad to lose pasture-fed sheep and cattle. We'd have a lot of beautiful land ploughed up for oilseed rape and wheat if we did. We'd also lose a good source of natural fertiliser.
I think people should just eat less meat that is produced to the highest possible quality and welfare standards. That will never happen if cheap low standard imports are allowed into the country though.

 

We produce enough food for all our island.
But we prefer a varied diet. Luxuries.
So we export half of our produced food and import half of our consumed food.

In this way we get to eat more interesting meals.

Exchange Whiskey for Sambuca.
Potatoes for Rice.
Sugar for spice.

You get the idea.

Without the import of food, our diet would be comparatively bland.


Self sufficiency in food used to be an issue for us.
In WW2 things came to a head. Hard lesson learnt.
And so we have dedicated ourselves to never being in this position again.
It's not 1945 any more. Times change.
These days we have nukes and fertilzers and tractors. Crop sprayers and reservoirs. Farmland reclaimed from the sea. Genetic research institutes.
Agricultural robots and drones. Farms with economies of scale.
All that clever stuff.

Which is why we are so much better at it than you. Infrastrucure plus motivation plus dedication plus investment.