Calling Prophet Muhammad a pedophile does not fall within freedom of speech: European court

Of course it does not represent a minority. Minorities are things about people which they cannot change - you could say you could change your religion but generally any accepted religion is included. We know that there is a long past in the West of hatred towards people of the Jewish religion even if that changed to calling Jews a 'race'. It is basically something you are born with and cannot change with the addition of your right to choose any faith you want.

 

To be frank I did not use to listen to him. However from my knowledge of how he worked I would be very surprised if he said anything which could come under hate laws. He was previously a solicitor and very careful how he spoke. That was why he managed not to get arrested for so long.

 

Come on. You're trying to reframe the law and the spirit of the law to cover only the minorities. If a pakistani in the UK calls the anglo-saxon an inferior race that should be sent to the oven would you be ok with that since he attacked the majority and not another minority?

BTW Choudary made plenty of death threats toward the brits and women. You should rewatch his interviews.

Since when does minorities have more rights than the majority?

 

I am not trying to reframe anything. Please state your own view and do not project it onto me.

I have never heard of this. Obviously someone from a minority can commit a hate crime. However to my knowledge the main reason for hate crimes is to protect minorities against the majority. Against the kind of action which Jews used to experience.

The intent is to give them the same rights as the majority.

 

I defended https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri for his right to spread hate in London.

That is the price of free speech, no one said it was going to be easy.

 

Then why are Americans comparing an EU story to the standards of America's 1st Amendment?

 

NEXT thing is they'll ban people from calling Hitler an anti-Semite!

 

The Islamic texts themselves, quoting THE VICTIM (poor little Aisha), clearly show that Mohammad was a pedobear. When you continously violate a NINE-year-old then you are a pedophile - obviously. No pedophile should be considered the #1 role model for all time, hand-picked by "god" no less, by 1.6 billion people. That's insane. Ask Muslims "what WOULD Mohammad have to have done, hypothetically speaking here, for you to condemn him?" I've asked, they never answer with an ethical response. In all fairness Xians never seem to answer that question in an ethical manner (about god/Jesus), either - so Xianity is just as bad as Islam.

 

You said:

"Hate crimes are the intent to incite hatred or violence towards minorities. That is to do with race, religion, sexuality, gender and that is all I can think of right now."

And no it's not towards minorities. It's against any groups INCLUDING the majority. If it wasn't the case, minorities would have more right than the majority which is nonsense.

No it isn't. If it was they would then have MORE right than the majority. And stop bringing the jews in everything its annoying and doesn't add anything to the discussion.

 

Yes, we decent people despise Nazis and Jihadists, but we need to defend even THEIR right to free speech. If THEY are not allowed free speech, then the same could eventually happen to US.

 

This is nonsense, not free speech.

 

If Muslims are offended that their prophet was a pedobear, then maybe they should look for a new religion where the founder/#1 role model is not a pedobear.

 

Do keep in mind that when Jihadists tell us that Islam calls for our death (if we oppose Sharia Law, that is), that they are being True Muslims (telling the TRUTH about the Islamic texts), and telling the truth should not be outlawed. Yes, Q8:39 does indeed say to fight(/kill) us until we submit to the will of Mohammad's particular invisible friend who lives in the sky.

I will not submit to ANYBODY'S unproven/invisible friend who lives in the sky, especially any Abrahamic god - those gods approve of slavery, etc. Barbaric.

"39 And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]......" - Qur'an 8:39 calls for an end to freedom/democracy. https://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=8&translator=5&mac=

 

I'm all for putting "holy" books at the index, that is remove them from circulation. If you want to talk to god, fine, you don't need a book to talk to god you need a mouth.

 

Who decides you are a Nazi and that your speech is worth less?

I have an illusion that human beings are born free, it's one I want to cling to.

 

It certainly is to the UN, and to the European Court, but fortunately not in America.....yet.

 

Nazi are the one who think their freedom is more important than somebody else freedom.

 

Because America's 1st Amendment is BETTER for the world than the EU is, at least on this one issue of free speech.

 

Don't ban books - that's what Nazis do - don't be a Nazi.
Discredit those books, YES, ban them, NO.

 

How?

Do you feel it's ok for someone to incite violence because they can't engage brain before mouth?

 

Because the 1st amendment is THE MOST IMPORTANT amendment and they cannot understand how any civilised society does not embrace it with the same passion.

I do understand the 1st amendment and it's importance there's a reason they made it No.1

 

People have been deliberately stating that this is something different to what happened. The woman claimed to be an expert in Islam, and you are not and she was offering classes to introduce people to it. However she was saying things to them which they believed if she was an expert she must have known were not the truth. The court ruled that she was not doing what she said, holding a seminary to teach people about Islam but was instead holding a seminary to defame Islam. In other words to incite hatred of Islam. It does fit in with the definition.

However most hate crime, as opposed to for instance racism, is I think linked to violence. If someone attacks someone while screaming at them for being whatever their minority is, you dirty Muslim or whatever, then instead of just getting the normal sentence, they get extra because it is seen as a hate crime as well as a violent crime.

 

Yeah, otherwise they should ban Islam, since it contains a lot of hate speech towards the "infidel".
How do you do, FS, long time no see?

 

Telling the truth about Nazism, or Islam, or gardening, etc. is NOT inciting hatred. If the Islamic texts said absolutely NOTHING about Mohammad raping a 9-year-old then you'd have a good point.....unfortunately you do not. Saying, say, "I hate all Muslims!" is NOT the same thing as pointing out the barbarity of the Islamic prophet from the Islamic texts themselves. She is quoting the same texts that many Muslims say are part of the texts of their religion.

 

You're practically my favorite poster - keep up the good work.