Can all life be descended from a single-celled organisim?

Discussion in 'Science' started by contrails, Jul 11, 2016.

  1. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2015
    Messages:
    4,905
    Likes Received:
    466
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Comets travel around that speed.

    And that is just an astoid that we know of. In 1 solar system. Out of 300 BILLION stars.

    There could be other comets and asteroids, both slower and faster. They could have been flung by massive objects (like stars) at break neck speeds

    Furthermore, single astroids and comments in interstellar space or in other star systems would be undetectable to us. Look at the Oort cloud.

    [​IMG]

    Reminder. There is 300 BILLION STARS! in our galaxy alone.

    Interstellar space is more then likely filled with many isolated planets, commets, and asteroids.

    There is nothing to say that speedy astroids are rare. And if they were, the sheer numbers of the sheer stuff that exists will still make them numerous.

    Plus comments could have just as easily delivered life.
     
  2. Taxonomy26

    Taxonomy26 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2016
    Messages:
    1,611
    Likes Received:
    1,237
    Trophy Points:
    113
     
  3. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2012
    Messages:
    7,134
    Likes Received:
    598
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Then your wrong since you believe in God who must be some kind of energy or matter and eternal, however, if so then why can't energy and matter without the will as in God be eternal to we don't need to figure out how or why either just assume it was and it would make as much sense as God in fact more so intelligence and will aren't required for the latter.
     
  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    68,085
    Likes Received:
    17,138
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That sort of makes sense. The gist is, if I believe GOD is eternal, why not energy and matter?
    I have in the past defined GOD as awesome power. This is difficult for most to follow and I have tried and tried to explain it.

    A good question is why does GOD need energy or matter?

    There has to be a decent scientific explanation for both energy and matter. Nobody has told me what they think they are.
     
  5. Darkbane

    Darkbane Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    6,852
    Likes Received:
    87
    Trophy Points:
    0
    this is a wonderful response and subject I am greatly interested in, I think whats important to understand is our perceptions on what energy or matter are may not be what they truly are yet, as our understanding and intelligence has increased to a level where we can fully appreciate and comprehend just what they represent or are, our limited scientific knowledge is much like racism in america... some people say and do things which others perceive and understand in a different light, all because one party was not intelligent enough to comprehend the scope of the words they were using, and used them in a way that offends others... for example...

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=471336&page=6&p=1066543617#post1066543617

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=471336&page=7&p=1066543843#post1066543843

    in the example I have provided we see a person with limited intellect discriminating against another poster on this website who understand exactly what the person is doing, and while the one person lacks the fortitude to appreciate the insulting language used, the attempts to correct and education them have failed, so we can surmise that human intelligence over energy and matter are a lot like skin color... you can "guess" and "analyze" all you want but if you lack the intelligence to understand the information, you will never be able to truly understand where energy and matter came from... so I think energy and matter as we understand today, are far greater than what we currently know and we can't necessary answer how god fits into the equation, but thats faith isn't it, you just have to believe... let me know what you think of my links and analogy...
     
  6. MRogersNhood

    MRogersNhood Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2015
    Messages:
    4,401
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    0
    No,next question? Ask yourself why all organisms interact with such perfect harmony with nature in the world.
    It just keeps on going,amazing,no?
     
  7. sdelsolray

    sdelsolray Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2016
    Messages:
    1,324
    Likes Received:
    306
    Trophy Points:
    83
    "Perfect harmony"?

    Doesn't metabolism interfere with that claim?
     
  8. MRogersNhood

    MRogersNhood Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2015
    Messages:
    4,401
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    0
    and the world keeps on keepin' on. :)
     
  9. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2015
    Messages:
    4,905
    Likes Received:
    466
    Trophy Points:
    83
    OK I'll explain better. Remember the Oort cloud? A planet in a solar system might have life. That planet can have a huge impact. Many such impacts have rocked the earth and every planet in our solar system.

    We can assume that other solar system are similar in that aspect.

    So let's say that a planet in alpha centatri has life. A huge rock or commet smashes into it.

    Bits and pieces of this planet (which has life) gets flung into the far reaches of the solar system
    (Like Oort cloud.)

    Another star (like ours) passes by and steals some of those life carrying debris.

    Our solar system does this. That's why our solar system has more stuff then it should have. It stole debris from passing stars.

    We can assume that this exchange of materials between solar systems happen often.

    Life carrying debris from another solar system will become part of a Oort cloud and sent into planets as comets, seeding life.
     
  10. sdelsolray

    sdelsolray Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2016
    Messages:
    1,324
    Likes Received:
    306
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Why assume? How much material is ejected from a solar system during its existence? What is the escape velocity? How long does it take for that material to travel, say, 500 light years? What is the probability that the trajectory of that material will intersect with another solar system within that 500 miles?

    Answer these questions first. Afterwards, you may have the basis for a hypothesis and no meed for an unsupported assumption.

    Why must it become part of a system's Oort cloud? What is it approached from above the plane of that system's orbits (i.e., perpendicular to the orbits of its planets and other items)?
     
  11. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Robert...Matter is Energy.

    Matter is completely comprised of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms of Energy such as Quarks, Glueons, Bosons....etc.

    Thus you and I are made up of the same energy as a rock is.

    AA
     
  12. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    68,085
    Likes Received:
    17,138
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I hate to argue the point but energy is not matter nor is matter energy.

    I totally understand the nature of both matter and energy.
     
  13. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    68,085
    Likes Received:
    17,138
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    One has to pause to understand what keeps life alive.

    We know life lives on Earth. Various forms of life are here. Animal life is a class. Plant life a different class. Plant life seems to not have plant parts one can call a brain. Plants are not vertibrates. Etc and etc. Fungus a different life.

    I forget all the classes of life but know there probably are more than those three.

    Say this rock hits a planet with life. And is hurled into space. Space is not friendly to life. First a place has to be prepared. Mars for instance is not prepared. Some planets never will be habitable to life. Jupiter for instance.

    Anyway, for life to survive on the comet, the comet itself must be supportive of life.

    I doubt we know of comets able to support life. Smaller ones are even worse when it comes to supporting life.
     
  14. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    No...you don't.

    Matter is simply energy that is bound together.

    Hadrons....ie...Protons, Neutrons and Pions are all comprised of energy.

    A Protons base energy particles are 2 UP Quarks and 1 DOWN Quark with a sea of Glueons holding them together.

    Google QCD and QED to understand the Color Force and...etc.

    AA
     
  15. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    68,085
    Likes Received:
    17,138
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Like I said, you are not a person who one has joy discussing things with.
     
  16. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2013
    Messages:
    30,284
    Likes Received:
    612
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Hey I am just trying to help you understand.

    We are made of the same energy a rock is or water is or the air is.

    It's all the same.

    The only thing different is it's arrangement.

    AA
     
  17. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2015
    Messages:
    4,905
    Likes Received:
    466
    Trophy Points:
    83
    We can assume this base on how we know solar systems form. All the remnants gets blown into the outer reaches of that solar system.

    THERE IS NOTHING THAT POINTS THAT OUR SOLAR SYSTEM IS UNIQUE IN THIS ASPECT

    OUR GALAXY HAS A MIND BOGGLING 300 BILLION STARS!

    OORT CLOUD HAS TRILLIONS OF OBJECTS!

    ALSO JUST IN TODAY

    One Star Over, a Planet That Might Be Another Earth

    -----------------

    [​IMG]

    Our solar system has ejected a lot of small bodies; the Oort cloud consists of the bodies that were almost ejected, or barely ejected. The comets that were ejected diffuse away from the Sun, and occasionally some of them will encounter other stars that pass nearby. And the same must be true for us as well; almost certainly our Solar System has captured small bodies (like dust grains) from interstellar space. For example, this paper tries to estimate the amount of extra-solar dust that hits the Earth.

    ---------------

    The outer Oort cloud may have trillions of objects larger than 1 km (0.62 mi), and billions with absolute magnitudes brighter than 11 (corresponding to approximately 20-kilometre (12 mi) diameter), with neighboring objects tens of millions of kilometres apart.

    The most widely accepted hypothesis is that the Oort cloud's objects initially coalesced much closer to the Sun as part of the same process that formed the planets and minor planets, but that gravitational interaction with young gas giants such as Jupiter ejected the objects into extremely long elliptic or parabolic orbits. Recent research has been cited by NASA hypothesizing that a large number of Oort cloud objects are the product of an exchange of materials between the Sun and its sibling stars as they formed and drifted apart, and it is suggested that many—possibly the majority of—Oort cloud objects did not form in close proximity to the Sun.
     

Share This Page