Can anyone explain to me in simpler terms of whats going on with Poland?

Poland adopts judicial overhaul, escalating clash with EU

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/wo...-clash-with/peERYOUZXzcqpYrbnVvANP/story.html

What does this mean? And why Europe don't like it?

 

From what I gather, the judicial is supposed to be independent, and in Poland it's probably losing it's independence. I don't know, I'm just guessing

 

basically this

The courts cannot be impartial if they are under the control of the Government. When the EU took on so many countries which had just been in the Soviet Union they brought out some rules which they agreed to when joining that they basically would follow the criteria of liberal democracies. Having the Government in charge of the courts does not. In a democracy it will be Independent of the Government.

Poland and Hungary have being moving towards autocratic Governments for a while now.

 

The government is giving itself the power to fire judges they don't like and employ new ones. They also put in a special court that can over turn courtcases they completed up to 20 years ago. If a lawyer is not to the liking of the government, than they can be sent to a newly established court as well to be dealt with.

So all in all. The government is in control of all the courts and the outcome of the court cases. While the demands of the EU is that this can not be and that they must be independent otherwise you're just a banana republic.

 

I think Poland is rejecting cultural-marxist political correctness.

It's the only thing I can come up with.

 

What happened in America also happened in Poland.

PC leftist stacked the courts in both countries with judges who aren't impartial, activist judges, judges that legislate from the bench and as we see now in America. obstructionist judges.

Time to clean the judicial swamp.

 

leave Poland alone.
EU birocrats cannot dictate Poland how to rule.

 

Im not sure about that, but it does seem ironic that the "Law and Justice" Party appears to be going against the EU agreement.

 

Thanks for all the comments.

So, in simpler terms, Poland is moving towards an autocratic nation, right? Or are they moving towards a country like China where there is only one party.

 

California only has one political party.

 

This is happening in Romania also, although the government there is rather left leaning. Romanian judges and prosecutors took to the streets to protest the new laws.

https://www.rferl.org/a/romanian-judges-prosecutors-protest-legal-changes/28924945.html

 

An independent judiciary is the main pillar of democracy. It's the safeguard for your civil rights and individual freedoms.

 

Poles have decided they like being Poles and ain't going to listen to the evil EU no more. Likewise Austria.

The world needs to be decentralized.

 

I suspect they're now realising how much they miss their sovereignty and independence, and are telling the bureaucrats to shove their diktats where the sun doesn't shine.

 

What went wrong in America ?

 

I wish we could fire a bunch of liberal judges in America

Or at least have term limits for all federal judges

12-16 years sounds about right

 

You defended Polish government's decision to take over the judiciary. I merely draw your attention to what would happen to you should the same process take place in your country.

 

When liberals say independent what they mean is liberal

The current government in poland is popularly elected by the citizens of poland and it should have a right to reform the judicial branch without outside interference from the EU

 

That's what its all about. Poles want to remain being Poles.

There are still well over a 150 million Americans who want to remain being Americans.

But the cultural-marxist's in the world have other plans, political correctness that dismantles a nations, language, customs, traditions, believes, and erases a country's history and disrupts the country's ethnic make up too balkanize the nation.

 

We have the Second Amendment in America so the left is running behind schedule.

 

I see the Kremlin has Apacherat working overtime.

 

In order to understand it we need a pretext.
- GB is leaving the EU.
- Poland recently started aggressive blockading of Brussels decision (migrants, for instance).
- Poland is interfering with German business with Russia (attempts to block the already built part of Nord Stream and to block the part which is under construction)
- Poland is trying to push the practice of purchase of American gas through polish infrastructure and insists on preserving the ukarainian part of tube for Russian gas.
- Poland issued a demand for reparation on Germany for WWII.

I regard these events much more sensible that the reform which is not known to anyone.

To me the situation is as follows. The US needs its mouth inside the EU (In practice this is why there is a demand for parliament form of states instead of bad tyrannies. The thing is that you can always corrupt a group of MPs and it is quite difficult to corrupt just one guy, who can be easily overthrown by a pretender backed with another state or even on his own losing all the investments). Previously, it was GB who was the best sword of the US on the continent. But now they need another state and Poland was chosen. Poland plays this role not to its own favour but to the favour of the US. So basically they play against the EU. This is why Germany being somewhat a leader of EU needs to meet this threat.

 

Poland just got out of the Soviet Union.
It's not looking to join a new one.

If you offer them trade and money and opportunity, they say yes. If you offer them rulership, they say no.

The EU only offered them the former as a carrot to get them to accept the later, but ex soviet countries aren't so stupid.

 

You shouldn't wait for meaningful answers here, as you can easily read it's guesswork and assumptions.
Instead you should do your own research, do quite a bit of reading and draw your own conclusions.
There is a lot of info out there.

 

Liberals are as necessary in a democracy as right wingers, communists, socialists, the center left, the center right, and everything in between. Including the secular and the religious. Democracy needs political compromises in order to function. Modern democracy is in itself a form of political compromise.

"If liberty means anything at all, it's the right to tell people what they don't want to hear". Taking away the independence of the judiciary means giving the government tools to silence dissenters. An independent judiciary - even if too liberal - is the guarantor of your liberty to tell the liberals - including those in the judiciary - everything they don't want to hear.

Poland is on the main road to dictatorship now. Does the democratically elected government of Poland, elected by popular vote, have the right to kill the democracy that brought it to power in the first place? What if voters change their minds 4 years from now? (or whenever elections are held there). Does the elected government have the right to tell voters that they no longer have the right to change their minds?