Can Apple decrypt it's own encryption?

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  1. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Did Apple invent an encryption even they can't decrypt?...
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    Apple ordered to unlock gunman's phone
    Wed, 17 Feb 2016 - Apple is ordered to help FBI investigators access data on the phone of San Bernardino gunman Syed Rizwan Farook.[/i]
     
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    no one but the one with the key should be able to decrypt it, having a spare master key floating around is not safe

    making a phone easy to brute force also defeats the purpose

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    Any encryption worth having stops everyone but you accessing your data. That includes the makers of the program, the police, everyone who doesn't have the key.
     
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    Apple - the choice of criminals and terrorists...
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    US Justice Department Fires Back at Apple Over iPhone Access
    February 19, 2016 - The U.S. Justice Department is asking a judge to immediately compel Apple to comply with a court order for the company to unlock the iPhone used by one of the gunmen in last year's San Bernardino attack in California.
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    U.S., Apple ratchet up rhetoric in fight over encryption
    Sat Feb 20, 2016 - The U.S. Department of Justice filed a motion on Friday seeking to compel Apple Inc (AAPL.O) to comply with a judge's order to unlock the encrypted iPhone belonging to one of the San Bernardino shooters, portraying the tech giant's refusal as a "marketing strategy."
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    Big Tech Companies Join Apple in Encryption Fight
    February 19, 2016 — The tech industry is starting to line up with Apple in its fight against the federal government over the encryption it uses to keep iPhones secure.
     
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    creating a hack for the phones makes everyone's i-phones vulnerable, why would they want to do that?

    why doesn't the government hire their own hackers to do the job?

    this wont even help if terrorists used a foreign encryption app for texts.... and all this public talk, if they were not then, they will be using them going forward

    the FBI should of had private hackers working on this, rather then making this public spectacle basically telling terrorists how to avoid them being able to see their texts
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    The ongoing encryption debate...
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    Apple asks court to reverse FBI iPhone order
    25 February 2016 - Apple has asked a US court to overturn an earlier ruling ordering the company to help the FBI break into a phone used by one of the San Bernardino killers.
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    Comey: Encryption Dilemma 'Is the Hardest Question I Have Seen in Government'
    February 25, 2016 | Regardless of how the legal battle over a terrorist's locked and encrypted Apple iPhone ends up, there's a bigger policy question that must be answered, FBI Director James Comey told Congress on Thursday. "This is the hardest question I have seen in government," Comey said. And it's going to require negotiation and conversation. I have been very keen to keep the Bureau out of the policy business."
     
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    I agree with you, but anyone touching it should be an appropriate agent in a division set up for this kind of thing. They should have kept it quiet too, they could have quietly asked Apple for information not even telling them whose phone, and I will add nothing in the apartment should have been left behind.
     
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    I like to buy American when I can, but if the gov makes American phone have to have a back door, why would people buy American rather then a more secure phone
     
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    you do not have to give the private hackers the actual phone, create a alternate phone with a password on it, then ask them to crack it

    heck could make a contest of it, million dollars for the first hacker to crack the code

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    John McAffee said he would do it for free.
     
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    many hackers would probably do it for free

    just tell them the phone can't be hacked and they can't do it, no one can.... and then they will


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    Nyah, nyah, nyah - don't need yer help anyway...
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    U.S. says it may not need Apple to open San Bernardino iPhone
    Mon Mar 21, 2016 - U.S. prosecutors said Monday that a "third party" had presented a possible method for opening an encrypted iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino shooters, a development that could bring an abrupt end to the high-stakes legal showdown between the government and Apple Inc.
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    Poll: Apple's privacy fight does not win extra points for security
    Tue Mar 22, 2016 - Most Americans trust Apple Inc to protect their personal information from hackers, according to a national Reuters/Ipsos poll, but not any better than rivals Google, Amazon and Microsoft.
     
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    people will no longer be able to use 4 digit pass codes if the 10 try wipe can be bi-passed
     
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    The FBI doesn't care squat about this phone or what's on it. The feds want to be able to crack any phone for any reason at any time, so they will force Apple to devise a protocol that will allow them to do so.
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right - if anybody can, the Jews can `cause dey a smart people...
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    Report: Israeli Firm Helping FBI to Open Encrypted iPhone
    March 23, 2016 — Israel's Cellebrite, a provider of mobile forensic software, is helping the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation's attempt to unlock an iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino, California shooters, the Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper reported on Wednesday.
     
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    My impression is that it would be possible for real, like I read on the net, exploiting the path of the Nand Mirroring, but it's just a guess [I'm a professional of the sector].

    In any case, I tend to think that when SW is involved, sooner or later a way to hack the device will be found [at least this is my experience]. The device impossible to hack should be so closed, so "tight" [well more than a tight poker player] to risk to become user unfriendly in some situations.
     
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    Both Snowden and Mac Affee have said how it is to be done. There is more than one way to crack the lock. The Apple suit is about giving a master for key for future use on every phone ever made. Microsoft already bowed and gave open access keys to windows based machines. Now the .Gov wants it all. Just like good totalitarians they are.

    [video=youtube;MG0bAaK7p9s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG0bAaK7p9s[/video]

    [video=youtube;UITZVlxCBJg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UITZVlxCBJg[/video]
     
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    They didn't keep it quiet, because the point wasn't to get the information off of that particular cell phone (information, that I doubt exists). The goal was "Not to let a serious crisis go to waste." They wanted to use terrorism as an excuse to break into iphones, not for this case, but for the dozen or so iphones the FBI has in custody, as well as the hundreds in state police hands (for example, NYS has 175 iphones that they can't break into). This was a cynical ploy by the FBI to get access to a way to hack secure iPhones. The SB terrorists destroyed two other phones, as well as laptop hard drives. The only phones they didn't destroy were the work iPhone, and a burner phone the wife had. Why didn't they destroy them, too? They didn't have information on them. (the burner phone had nothing to speak of on it).
     
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    The quote below from one of our President's former advisors tells us the true story.
     
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    John Mcaffee for president.
     
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    FBI turns the tables on Apple...
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    FBI's secret method of unlocking iPhone may never reach Apple
    Wed Mar 30, 2016 - The FBI may be allowed to withhold information about how it broke into an iPhone belonging to a gunman in the December San Bernardino shootings, despite a U.S. government policy of disclosing technology security flaws discovered by federal agencies.
     
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    Secret not likely to stay secret for long...
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    FBI trick for breaking into iPhone likely to leak, limiting its use
    Sat Apr 2, 2016 - The FBI's method for breaking into a locked iPhone 5c is unlikely to stay secret for long, according to senior Apple Inc engineers and outside experts.
     
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    Prob'ly some kid down the street hacked it...
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    Hackers helped FBI crack San Bernardino iPhone: Report
    13 Apr 2016 - Hackers were paid a one-time flat fee by the FBI for their help in cracking into an iPhone used by a San Bernardino attacker, the Washington Post reported.
     
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    FBI won't share iPhone unlock secret...
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    FBI decides provisionally not to share iPhone unlock: sources
    Apr 26 2016 | WASHINGTON - The FBI has provisionally decided not to share an iPhone unlocking mechanism used by a contractor to open the phone of one of the San Bernardino shooters because the agency does not own the mechanism, two U.S. government sources said on Tuesday.
     

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