Can Ted Cruz run for President?

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  1. thebrucebeat

    thebrucebeat Banned

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    My understanding is that someone born in a foreign country can not run for POTUS. Cruz was born in Canada. Schwarzenegger is trying to test the waters to alter the COTUS to make it possible for him to run.
    Why is this question not coming up regarding Cruz?
    Serious question. I have no idea why this isn't a game breaker. Can anyone help?
     
  2. rahl

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    he can run. heis a natural born citizen, conferred on him at birth by one of his citizen parents
     
  3. thebrucebeat

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    So the whole Obama thing was a canard, right?
     
  4. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As there is no precedent for Cruz's situation, to be honest I do not know. I am inclined to say that he will be eligible.

    Now should he run? Why not. I certainly can use the material. Does he have a chance in hell of winning? In my wise and generally correct opinion, no.
     
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    Id love to see the republicans outdo Romney by picking Cruz.
     
  6. rahl

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    Yes.........

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    there are only 2 types of citizen recognized by the united states government. natural born and naturalized. cruz was not naturalized, he was a citizen at birth(natural born)
     
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    Cruz can run for president .. His mother was a US citizen.

    Arnold is out of luck.. He can't.
     
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    Given his base of support, Cruz could well be on his way to becoming the next Sarah Palin.
     
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    I would love to hear this answer also. I think it could become a Constitutional (ie Supreme Court) question. He was born in Canada - so you'd think that would rule him out. I think HE has said he's eligible. I have heard it may be because his MOTHER was a US citizen at the time of his birth. I don't know - I like him, but he WAS born in Canada.


    Clarabel
     
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    The media can't trash him the same way they did Sarah Palin. You can be smarmy about a woman in a way you can't with men - how she looks, how she speaks, how she dresses, etc. You don't see that as much with men, in general. I think doing it to Cruz or any man won't be done like Sarah Palin. She has to be a strong woman to keep it up after that.

    Clarabel
     
  11. Junkieturtle

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    If Ted Cruz got on TV and did and said the things that Sarah Palin did, he'd get everything she got. If he got on TV and said his foreign policy qualifications are that he can see Mexico from Texas, he'd get everything she got.
     
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    Cruz is eligible to be president because his mother was a U.S. citizen at his birth in Canada.

    Senator "Juan" McCain is also eligible. He is a Panamanian, but his parents were U.S. citizens there.

    There are numerous similar situations and some not so similar -- there is one instance in which a president's adoptive mother was a U.S. citizen. That president of course, is Barack Obama.
     
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    Her show biz career may have fizzled, true, but Cruz destined to be the next Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Savage or whichever male entertainer may dispose you to swoon.
     
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    First....he's the DREAM candidate......of the Democrats.


    Second, watching the Birthers prove themselves UTTER hypocrites would be hilarious.

    Third, he'd drag down so many "down ticket" Republicans (House, Senate, governors) with him in his death-spiral, it'd be a shellacing.

    Fourth, wouldn't matter who the Democrats put up. Joe Biden's DOG could win 40 states over Ted Cruz.

    and Fifth, the Right would NOT be able to say "Cruz was a RINO, naturally he lost...we knew it all the time" the day after Election Day.
     
  15. KevinVA

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    Being born in another country doesn't make you a citizen of that country. Naturalization doesn't work that way. If a Mexican or Swede decides to come here on vacation, while being pregnant, and she happens to give birth to her child in an American hospital on American soil, it doesn't automatically make that child a citizen of the United States... That's just ridiculous. She doesn't have citizenship in the United States, she's merely visiting. There would be a record of that child's birth at the hospital, but that's it. The child would inherit Mexican or Swedish citizenship from wherever the parents are citizens, depending of course, on the laws of that country.

    Ted Cruz's father was originally from Cuba, but his mother was/is a citizen of the United States. I'm not certain of the situation on Cuba, since we have historically given Cuban refugees leeway and afforded them opportunity for US citizenship, IF they could make it to land without being caught by the Coast Guard. If the Coast Guard caught a refugee attempting to emigrate to the United States, as an exile of Cuba, they would be returned to Cuba... otherwise, we'd turn a blind eye. I'm not sure where that puts his father, because he'd be an exile of Cuba and forgiven citizen of the US - but he officially received his citizenship in 2010/2011 (can't remember which).

    His mother, however is American... so at the worst, he would have dual citizenship with Cuba & the United States. Canada has nothing to do with it.
     
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    Uh, yeah...it does.
     
  17. KevinVA

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    According to who? You?
     
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    Yes it does.. The US had jurisdiction.... unless the parents were diplomats.
     
  19. KevinVA

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    No it doesn't... from the USCIS:

    What does "...subject to the jurisdiction of the United States..." mean? It means that the parents of said child must not hold allegiances to any other country. They must be citizens of the United States.

    Additionally, on the same page, there's an alternative requirement: "had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements"

    This confirms Ted Cruz's US citizenship, as well.

    "Anchor babies" for illegal immigrants is a term used by people who don't understand the actual law of the land. It's actually unconstitutional to hand out citizenship to all of these babies, but I'm sure it's done all the time.
     
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    The supporting criteria is that Cruz was born to a U.S. citizen who lived in the U.S. as a citizen for a number of years beyond the age of fourteen. That would be his mother, born a U.S. citizen, in the U.S., to U.S. citizens and lived in the U.S. from birth to the required number of years beyond the age of fourteen. She later moved to Canada, I suspect for health care benefits. Somewhere along the line she met Juan and had a child. All while a U.S. citizen.

    All the above support the eligibility of Cruz for U.S. President, and can be found with a bit of internet researching.
     
  21. Margot2

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    You might want to look up the legal definition of jurisdiction.

    For instance.. if you are in the US on business, as a tourist or a student on a visa.. you are under US jurisdiction. If you are in the US for any reason.. you are under US Jurisdiction... No other country's laws apply.

    8 USC § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401
     
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    So RIGHTWINGER Michelle Malkin who calls them "anchor babies"....is an idiot???


    (Wait...it could be a trick question. :) )
     
  23. KevinVA

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    You're completely ignoring this phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;"

    Why would they add that phrase, if they only needed to say "a person born in the United States?" Because that's exactly what you're saying... anyone born in the United States, to you, is considered a US citizen. That should be the end of it, then, right?

    Perhaps you should look up the definition of "subject."

    #18 is exactly what you should be referencing here.
     
  24. KevinVA

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    She went to a rival high school (Holy Spirit) to mine. A private catholic school. Thought that was interesting.

    Anywho, you'd have to give me the reference. She's a smart cookie, so I'm sure she's aware of the nonsense arguments FOR anchor babies on behalf of liberals everywhere.
     
  25. Margot2

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    LOLOLOL If you are in the US.. even as an illegal alien.. you are subject to US jurisdiction.

    Its a matter of education.
     

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