Cancel the russia "investigation"

Again, WE ARE NOT PRIVY TO THE ENTIRE SCOPE AND FINDINGS-TO-DATE IN THIS INVESTIGATION. Let the FBI do its job.

 

You need to return for remedial reading class. I never used the word CONVICTION (your emphasis). You are the first to use it here. Curious.
Then dust off high school law. Learn what crime, suspicion, investigate, suspect, indictment, and conviction mean.

 

Obviously they want to stop it from risking finding out anything substantial.

 

Like all the wonderful news personalities that you follow, the most interesting portion about what you say is what you omit: my second reason, which is that three of the top legal minds in the country -- Ken Starr, Alan Dershowitz, and Jonathan Turley -- all say there is absolutely no obstruction of justice case to be made here. I realize you enjoy cherry picking, but I think it's important to point out this habit of yours, for the benefit of those who might not be aware...

 

You're an arrogant and condescending so-and-so. FACT IS that there is evidence that the crime of obstruction of justice has been committed and you know it or you're less informed than I am.

 

Are they part of the investigations going on so they might actually have a chance of being adequately informed?

I didn't think so.

 

There was nothing in your link that altered my assertions. Did you notice your link was referring to national security/terrorism activities, which have somewhat different rules than normal domestic criminal investigations, where an investigation cannot happen without a crime or sometimes probable cause?
What you call condescension is just small frustrations pointing out stupidity over and over again.

 

Ah. I see. The press has managed to keep quiet about all of the really important stuff. Innuendos from unnamed sources, those we have an abundance of, and on that basis people like you are ready to show up with your pitchforks. People like Starr, Dershowitz and Turley (which is to say, people who actually know the law), they're simply not well enough informed to offer an opinion. But of course you are. What was I thinking? Please don't mind me; carry on...

 

That is mostly correct, except you must have turned off the TV during Comey's July press briefing when he itemized felony after felony, just before he said he would not prosecute (which wasn't his call, but who's counting?)

We've beat this to death but we are pretty close. All I said was Hillary and her campaigned yelled, "The Russians did it!" You are saying she also yelled, "Comey did it!" I agree with that. Those are just two of the almost two dozen excuses she has trotted out since the election. You pick which excuse is the most critical -- I'll accept it.

 

That's ridiculous and you're being unreasonable. Even Mueller wouldn't be informed enough to render your opinion without investigating and examining the data. And you're try to tell us that Starr, Dershowitz, and Turley are psychic enough that they don't need investigation to form a final and correct judgement. That's crazy talk. You're just terrified of what might be discovered in the investigation and want ti stopped before it's completed. Talk about BIAS!!!! LOL!!!

 

Sorry. I forgot "evidence" on my list.
(Have you read my posting signatures per chance??)

 

Side note: Turley is usually square on the wrong side of the law if Democrats are involved. This time, though, he was surprisingly correct!

 

Thanks for surrendering.

Yes, I see "When you’re losing an argument, you still have the viable option of throwing out some insults."

I also saw your post saying "What you call condescension is just small frustrations pointing out stupidity over and over again." Just one of the insults we've seen in some of your posts.

 

Link specifies ALL investigations.

 

Again, I never said Hillary was a good candidate or deserved to win - even if I think she'd do a better job than the current guy. And I know there are those who vote simply on Christian values and would never vote a Democrat; I'm aware of that. And I know there were those that just hated Hillary before the email scandal and continued to after. I'm not arguing with you over messaging, policy or how to win a campaign. I'm saying when every intelligence agency says the Russians hacked, propagandized and interfered to help Trump and then Trump tries to stifle that investigation - alarm bells ring; and we need to investigate further.

Take a look at a report yourself:

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

 

Well the investigations will end with Trump still being innocent. I do not believe he has committed any crime here.

 

I'm being ridiculous and unreasonable? By pointing out that three of the best legal minds in the country are saying that it's time to shut this thing down? What, they're terrified of what might be discovered? No, let's be clear: they want a reasonable legal system, not one that assumes the existence of a problem, and then spends all of its time trying to find that problem. Russian collusion? Nothing there. So let's try for obstruction of justice, eh? That is NOT the way our legal system is designed to work, that is NOT the way our political system should work. Your "final and correct judgement" sounds an awful lot like a forgone conclusion...

 

WOW

Trump derangement syndrome again. Seek the assistance of professionals.

Investigate what? The Russians, if they did anything, did it when Obama was president.

 

I am going to invoke Godwins law.

When Hitler acted like Democrats are acting, how did he handle the problem?

He lynched some and shot others. Some he made commit suicide.

 

You, too, need some remedial reading.

 

What? How could Comey prosecute? He's the Director of the FBI (was). Not only was it not his call. It was also not his job. What the hell are they telling you in those wingnut radio programs you listen to? Whatever it is, you can always be sure they're lying to you.

Uhm... no the did not. Did you hear that on the same program where they told you that Comey should have acted as prosecutor?

I don't actually care much about what she "yelled". Fact is that all political analysts in the Democratic party (Hilary is not one of them)... and (I believe) also all serious political analysts on the right, agree that it was Comey's statement what directly caused her loss. The Russians?... of course they influenced. As did the pizzagate "scandal". As did the video that circulated showing her celebrating after defeating Bernie, but was circulated as a "premature celebration" of the Presidential election. As did Trump's false promise to build a wall that Mexico would pay for..... As did many many other small things. But the one outstanding reason, why Hilary lost has always been attributed by all political analysts to Comey.

Anyway.. it's irrelevant. The important thing is to find out if Trump knew of the Russian intervention or not. Still under investigation....

 

It's possible that there was only collusion between Russians and Trump underlings and he wasn't aware of it. But he's so afraid of investigations that might show money laundering that he has obstructed justice.

He's cooked

 

Yeah, and Alan Dershowitz 'aint exactly right leaning either. That, too, is telling: the fact that legal experts from across the political spectrum are thinking that this is not the way things should be done.

 

Or maybe it's Jared Kushner the one involved in money laundering. But Trump is still in hot water for abusing power to cover up for his son-in-law.

I don't really expect Republicans to put their country before their political ambition in order to impeach Trump. But I do expect that we might learn many many truths. I smell criminal indictments (and pardons by Trump) of, at a minimum, Kushner and Flynn.

On the other hand, Kushner and Flynn don't seem to me like the "Oliver North" type. They seem more like they would throw Trump under the bus if that helped them avoid jail time.

There are so many variables... all of them bad for Republicans.

 

None of those things contributed to Hillary's loss. Hillary flat out telling Michigan miners they'd be unemployed and calling half of the country "deplorable" assured that she was not, and should never be commander in chief of the armed forces.