Cannon disqualifies herself.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or at the least she is begging to be disqualified for abject incompetence and overt bias. Smith needs to move immediately to have her taken off the case She's over her head. What would one expect from a last minute Trump appointee?

    A Sampling Of The Reaction To Cannon
    • George Conway: “In the decades that I have been a lawyer, this is the most bizarre order I’ve ever seen issued by a federal judge. What makes that all the more amazing is that the second and third most bizarre orders I’ve ever seen in federal court were also issued by Judge Cannon in this case.”
    • Joyce Vance: “t’s two pages of crazy stemming from the Judge’s apparent inability to tell Trump no when it comes to his argument that he turned the nation’s secrets into his personal records by designating them as such under the Presidential Records Act.”
      [*]Much more here
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/aileen-cannon-presiential-records-act


    ‘Most bizarre order I’ve ever seen’: Lawyers were absolutely astonished by Mar-a-Lago judge’s latest move, and some are urging Jack Smith to seek ‘extraordinary remedy’
    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...ging-jack-smith-to-seek-extraordinary-remedy/

    Conway’s criticism was in response to a post by former Obama administration “Ethics Czar” Norm Eisen, who wrote that the order was “clumsy & amateurish” and ignored the “different body of law” that governs classified documents, “including EO 13526.”
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is trumps legacy and what maga applauds while screaming the court system is targeting them

    She is an embarrassment to the entire legal system and should be permanently removed from her installed position
     
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    The woman is either in the tank/compromised, totally unqualified to interpret and apply the law or worse a true "messiah" believer.

    It's going to have to go up the judicial appeals ladder but she's bought the necessary time to make this case happen post 2024 election cycle. I hope she's removed from the bench down the line since her new stance is to give Trump the Jury of his choice.
     
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    Threads with 57 minute long videos. Threads with the article discussed in the OP locked behind a paywall.
    Its almost as if you want to make it impossible for anyone to dispute any of your talking points and just want likes from lefties, just saying, you do make content really difficult
    GOOD!
     
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    How...is this a confusing order? She basically asked both the prosecution and the defense to submit alternatives if the jury decides(that's what juries do, they decide things) that the PRA applies. And yes, if they decide that, that would acquit Trump. That's kind of the whole point...

    The jury hadn't made that decision(or any decision for that matter) yet. But god forbid what if they came to that conclusion and they had nothing to go off of!?

    Must this prosecution complain about everything? I thought they wanted a speedy trial, now they're bitching over jury instructions.
     
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    Prior to your bolded word, cheese?! Now, re bolded, not for democracy and the rule of law it isn't unless the 9th or 11th (?) circuit agrees with her then it's the system and we abide by their ruling.
     
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    I had no problem seeing the article. All I had to do was click on "Not Today" on the upper right side of the screen. It was that simple and easy. Took no effort other than paying attention and reading what was right in front of my eyes.
     
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    The issue she raised was the records act law is vague, and as such Smith need to specify who it applies, especially to one president and not others.
    The haters are aghast that one more phony court case in circling the drain. As if by the divine hand of Trump, all three are circling the drain.
    I think I'll have lunch outside so I can hear the haters howling!
     
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    Basically lawyers are moaning that they have to consider a hypothetical, that may not even actually happen(if the prosecution is confident in its argument, SURELY it can sway the jury to its belief that the law does not apply to Trump) and what the instructions would be in that case.

    The lawyer community is revealing themselves to be extraordinarily lazy. I had to entertain hypotheticals in writing a college thesis. You propose the thesis, you go down the line and you end at your conclusion.

    The idea that they're complaining about this, is just sad. Basically, they don't even want the jury to entertain the possibility of not guilty.
     
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    IOW, she's upholding the Constitution vice railroading Trump toward a conviction.

    In the future, you should pick better source than George Conway. If Trump said water was wet, Conway would scream to the heavens how Trump is wrong.

    He was part of the Lincoln Project, that was co-founded by a child molester. Conway knew he was a child molester and kept it quiet.
     
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    IOW, she's upholding the Constitution vice railroading Trump toward a conviction.
     
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    Juries don't make decisions about whether a law applies. They decide FACT issues.
     
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    They don't even want a jury. They want an anti-Trump judge that will just declare Trump guilty and sentence him to death.
     
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    LOL!

    No histrionics in that post! Nosiree!

    I want him to get a fair trial.
     
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    They decide if there is evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that a law was broken.
     
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    If course you do. You only want it to be just fair enough to get a conviction, no matter what.
     
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    Exactly!
     
  18. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    His constant beratement of the justice system even as it bends over backwards to accommodate every batshyte crazy appeal his attorneys can fabricate is a form of disinformation. It's purposely disorienting.
     
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    Looks like basically Cannon is saying that either jurors get to see the classified documents, or they can't prosecute Trump.

    Odd indeed.
     
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  20. Lee Atwater

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    She's a hack.

    11th Circuit Vacates Cannon’s Order to Appoint a Special Master in Mar-a-lago Investigation

    On Dec. 1, in a unanimous per curiam decision, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit ruled to reverse an order issued by U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon to appoint a special master to oversee the review of classified documents seized from former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-lago residence on Aug. 8.

    The 11th Circuit found that Cannon “improperly exercised equitable jurisdiction” in hearing the case and that the entire proceeding should be dismissed. Notably, the court also found that regardless of the status of a document in question (personal or presidential), the government maintains the authority to seize it under a warrant supported by probable cause.

    The panel wrote, “The law is clear. We cannot write a rule that allows any subject of a search warrant to block government investigations after the execution of the warrant. Nor can we write a rule that allows only former presidents to do so.”

    https://www.lawfaremedia.org/articl...text=On Dec. 1, in a,lago residence on Aug. 8.
     
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    Fair, period. Knowing the general facts, but not all the facts, there's more of a middling chance that the Orange Asshair gets convicted.

    Why are you already planning on his conviction?
     
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    Right. But they don't give themselves instructions as to the law. Sheesh.
     
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    The jury is supposed to just take the prosecutor's word for it?
     
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    Nobody said they do.
     
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    You and AmericanNationalist did. I don't know why you 2 think so. :confusion:
     

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