Carnage on Gaza border as Palestinians shot dead by Israeli

You tell him!

 

Well, how many Germans were killed by Nazis? Russians killed by commies? Chinese killed by Mao? French killed by Napoleon?
Get the picture?

 

Indeed, is exactly my point. Comparing with these mind boggling examples you' sited, Israeli-Palestinian conflict does not even register... genocide it is not.Stop throwing around these big, accusing words.

 

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/palestineremix/maps_main.html

In fact, many of the Palestinian refugees were among the dead you cited previously. Therefore it is genocide.

 

Al Jazeera, eh? OK, here's Jewish Library for you -
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-casualties-arab-israeli-conflict

Total number of Jews/Israelis died in Palestine to Arab/Palestinian violence INCLUDING all the wars, since 1920 - 25,000
Total number of Arabs/Palestinians died in Palestine to Jew/Israeli violence INCLUDING all the wars, since 1920 - 91,000

The numbers are compatible, so if Israelis guilty of genocide, so are Palestinians, too.

 

They have done it to themselves. You can't see that and neither can they. My guess is that they will continue putting themselves in harm's way.

 

Yes, they are born, they are alive, they must be killed because Colonialists believe that is how it must be. Without question they are to blame for being alive. There is no questions we are back to fascism indeed nazism if these are the arguments people are making which is the argument you are making.

A Palestinian tells it how it is

https://www.juancole.com/2018/05/palestines-activists-debunked.html

 

You have not studied Russian missile technology in any detail and are talking as if you have. I will take the word of our Generals over yours.

What Russian missiles were used in what Israeli conflicts ? The Iran/Iraq war was in the 80's .. what Russian missiles was Iran using?.

What does the war in Iraq have to do with Russian missiles ?

 

Dude... Jerusalem wasn't important in the Ottoman empire one bit. As I recall,.. Jerusalem is in a crap location, with the West Bank towering above it.

Everybody got every right against people crossing borders, ethnic cleanse, and colonize land.

 

Palestinians have determined that they want to be governed by terrorists so if they live by the sword, then they will die by the sword. They let hatred rule them. Maybe they should just wake up, get rid of Hamas and then negotiate in good faith.

 

Hello, the scud missile was Russian. Just like everything else Russian it was a POS. Please list the "generals" with the great fear.

 

Don't think so. The Palestinians have said that Israel exists. Big deal. Even idiots know that Israel exists. What the Palestinians refuse to say is that Israel has a RIGHT TO EXIST. If they remain stubborn, they will never get what they want. As for going back to 1967, Israel won that land fair and square in the 6 Day War. During one of the many negotiations they offered to give back the land and the Palestinians STILL refused. Have they ever heard the word "compromise"? I have ZERO sympathy for the Palestinians. I abhor terrorists.

 

LOL really now - comparing Russian missiles from the 1960's to modern Russian military technology - and expecting people to take what you say seriously.

You need to research at least a little better before spouting off. "Hello" !!

http://www.newindianexpress.com/wor...iple-russian-missiles-us-general-1589868.html

https://www.livescience.com/62082-hypersonic-weapons-defense.html

 

Pure nonsense. Sorry. Cry for them by yourself.

 

They should tell that to the Egyptians.

 

Israel demanded they accept the State of Israel. That they did, three times. They further agreed that the State of Israel could exist on 78% of their ancient homeland but only if they were given a viable contiguous state in the remaining 22%. Then later Israel demanded they accept Israel's right to exist. That is asking them to say that Colonialism and replacement of the indigenous population is right or just, that ethnic cleansing is right or just and that destruction of history, like ISIS does is right or just. Then Israel demands they accept Israel as a Jewish state when 20% of the people are not Jewish. The Palestinians accepted Israel on 78% of their homeland. They have accepted Israel. They may not like it or think it is just but they accepted it. When the bully has harmed you sufficiently that you understand you must give him what he wants, you do that. It does not mean you will think it is just. You can force people to do what you want but you cannot take from them their hearts and their memory. Just like the holocaust will always have happened, also the Nabka will always have happened. That is reality. The Palestinians have on 3 occasions accepted that Israel exists. To pretend they have not as you did is not being honest.

If they remain honest, they will be continually persecuted by the stronger you mean until Israel has all their land and any more she needs to coincide with what Christian Zionists believe their bible says. Without the sort of support they have given for settlements and through their massive electoral vote - by one estimate as many as 130,000,000 votes, the situation in the region would have had a two state solution about 20 years ago and so much unnecessary death and suffering would have been avoided. This has to include the destruction of the ME which has resulted in the death of millions of Muslims. That can at base be blamed on the American Christian Right. They are a very dangerous people who are destroying the US and/or bringing the US towards their goal of Christian fascism.

No fair and square about it. This was a war about territory expansion. This is against International Law. From this statement I can tell that you are a Might is Right person who does not believe in International law and believes that because your country is temporarily the most powerful in the world that you can act towards all other countries as a dictator. The US time as being the Imperialist power in the world is ending.

Oh for goodness sake. The Palestinians agreed to allow Israel to have 78% of their ancient homeland in return for the remaining 22% provided as a viable congruous state. This has never been offered by Israel. Israel went back on her deal and used the PA to 'pacify' its own people while she carried on taking the land and resources which she had agreed would be part of the Palestinian State and dehumanised the Palestinians so much that both Israelis and American's cheered when she 'mowed the lawn' with the bodies of their children every few years. This constant bombing back to the stone age and siege has made Gaza unfit for human habitation. When the populace decided to go on a March to protest this and walk peacefully back to their homes which by law they have the right to return to, Israel set up snipers to pick them off and shot and killed and maimed thousands, including children, the disabled and the press, ignoring their right through International Law to march and the right of the press to report without being shot.

The Palestinians accepted the State of Israel in 78% of their ancient homeland in return for a viable contiguous state in the remaining 22%. This has not happened. Instead Israel continues to take their land and resources. Due to this there is no longer any need for the Palestinians to accept Israel on 78% of their ancient homeland for a final solution.

Eventually those who harm people because they are weaker are brought to account.

 

PLEASE...

The government of Israel has agreed to a two-state solution to the conflict with the Palestinians. Once Israel agreed to give the Palestinians the independence they say they want, they shifted their complaint to the size of the state they were being offered. Many "moderates," such as Hanan Ashrawi, who say they can coexist with Israel, have adopted the refrain that Israel is doing the Palestinians no favors by offering them a state in the disputed territories because it is asking them to accept a state in only 22% of Palestine while Israel keeps 78%. This is a very convincing point to show the unfairness of the Palestinians' plight and to suggest Israel's peace overtures are *****rdly; that is, unless you know the history of Palestine and recognize that the truth is exactly the reverse.

Historic Palestine included not only Israel and the West Bank, but also all of modern Jordan. It is Israel, including the disputed territories, that is only 22% of Palestine. If Israel were to withdraw completely from the West Bank and Gaza Strip, it would possess only about 18%. And from Israel's perspective, it is the Zionists who have made the real sacrifice by giving up 82% of the Land of Israel. In fact, by accepting the UN's partition resolution, they were prepared to accept only about 12% of historic Israel before the Arab states attacked and tried to destroy the nascent state of Israel.

Meanwhile, of the approximately 9 million Palestinians worldwide, three-fourths live in historic Palestine.

There

 

15 year old boy who was shot in the stomach by Israeli snipers died on Wednesday. He was shot on 16th May.

Photo at link. http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/t...ot-israelis-dies-injuries-ramallah-1785068118

 

Sorry to hear, alexa.

 

There is a new Flotilla on its way to Gaza to highlight the illegality of Israel's 12 year siege of Gaza which together with Israel's never ending bombing including 3 'wars' has made Gaza unfit for human habitation. Ever since the massacre on the MM there have been several boats but they are rarely reported now. I was reading the article when I came to a bit where again I felt tears in my eyes. I had known of one athlete who had had to have his leg amputated but this article claims that many athletes due to Israel's refusal to allow them essential medical care in the West Bank have had to have their legs amputated.

Gaza, due to having only a few hours of electricity per day, is limited in its ability to give people essential medical care. They were not wanting help from Israel. Just to be able to transfer these people to the West Bank. As Israel is occupying Gaza by International law, she has a responsibility to look after the welfare of the people there. She refused to even allow them needed medical attention.


by Elizabeth Murray

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/05/22/a-new-flotilla-steams-towards-gaza/

 

Of course they don't want help from Israel. Why else would they burn their own pipeline, delivering fuel from Israel?

Very stupid, but very proud people

 

It's pointless condemning terrorism as such. Everyone supports, or tolerates, or ignores, terrorism that helps their side. Or rather most people do. It's how we are.
The only point to argue is: does terrorism help your cause, or not?
Zionist terrorism probably helped their cause. It was limited, and at least lip service was paid to civilized norms. That's why Zionists, or some of them, can celebrate it:

The Irgun bombed the King David Hotel in 1946, killing nearly a hundred people. And they are proud of it:

"In July 2006, the Menachem Begin Heritage Center organized a conference to mark the 60th anniversary of the bombing. The conference was attended by past and future Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former members of Irgun. A plaque commemorating the bombing was unveiled, stating "For reasons known only to the British, the hotel was not evacuated." The British Ambassador in Tel Aviv and the Consul-General in Jerusalem protested, saying "We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated", and wrote to the Mayor of Jerusalem that such an act of terror could not be honoured, even if it was preceded by a warning. The British government also demanded the removal of the plaque, pointing out that the statement accusing the British of failing to evacuate the hotel was untrue and "did not absolve those who planted the bomb." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing]

Palestinian terror is random and indiscriminate. They should learn a lesson from the Zionist terrorists.

 

You need to research results not propaganda. I challenge you to name one Russian weapon that has ever held it's own against American weapons. The kill rate in dog fights with their air craft is something like 50:1 in America's favor. In Desert Storm in excess of 2,000 Russian tanks were destroyed with a hand full of American tank losses. Are you aware that Russia's great navy has a grand total of 1 aircraft carrier. As for technology, Russia is so backwards that they have only had cell phone coverage for about a decade and that was put there by T-Mobile. Now you expect me to believe this backwater country has some great cutting edge missile technology?

You use a conversation of some defense department yahoo who is asking for budget money as a scare tactic? Get a clue, those guys will tell you they need 50 billion to keep North Korea from wiping out LA if that will loosen the purse strings. Russia is nothing but a second rate military that the defense department uses for an excuse to spend hundreds of billions of dollars annually.

Here is what occurred the last time Russian troops dared engage American forces.
http://www.spiegel.de/international...ut-the-russian-deaths-in-syria-a-1196074.html

 

Don't blame me that our Generals do not share your opinion.

When the Russians introduced the "Sunburn" super sonic anti ship cruise missile in the 1990's - it was at least a decade ahead of anything we had and at that time we had no legitimate defense.

Desert storm ? Again you are comparing aging and dilapidated 1960's technology used by the Iranians - to modern technology. Get a grip.

50-1 in dogfights ? Please list a single battle we have fought against Russia where the dogfight ratio was 50-1. You are talking nonsense.

 

Not a bad analysis, not bad at all. If to this you add that Israelis are going to great pains not to intentionally harm civilians, you'd be even more correct