CDC admits to vast over count of deaths

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    All of the physicians who were dragged through the mud for speaking out that political pressure was brought down upon them to issue fake death certificates are vindicated.
     
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    Good grief.

    Scientists fight all the time, you just never see it. You don't know where it will end up.

    You do have something against you, excess deaths.

    This will get settled in 2021...
     
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    Actually all they did was adjust their cataloging methods to include comorbidities, all of the deaths were still caused by COVID. If science-deniers and anti-maskers want to pretend this means there were "95% fewer COVID deaths" well then they are free to make fools of themselves.
     
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    Complete rubbish, and no, that's not what the CDC has said. In fact, the CDC is saying that they are likely undercounting COVID deaths by at least 30,000 after doing excess death studies. Your article is misrepresenting what the CDC has said. Having an underlying condition does NOT mean that COVID didn't kill you or contribute to your death. The excess death studies disprove the "these people would have died anyway" lie.
     
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    An awful lot of doctors said Hank never done it that a'way before, not ever.
     
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    Doubtful
     
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    Death while infected with COVID does not mean death from COVID.
     
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    In the same way death from gunshot wounds does not mean death from gunshot wounds.
    But ... but ... he died of loss of blood - not the bullet!
     
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    It is perfectly reasonable to list COVID as one of the causes of death when it is a contributing factor. And, again, excess death studies show we are undercounting COVID deaths overall.
     
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    Wow. Try harder.
    Even -you- understand that simply having the virus does not in any way necessitate that the virus contributed to your death, much less killed you outright.
     
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    Also having an underlying disease doesn't mean you wouldn't have lived another 5 -10 years if Covid hadn't attacked your liver and immune response.
    No covid - years more life. But I guess it's politically expedient for you to ignore that.
     
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    You present an unnecessary relationship - simply having the virus in no way necessitates that it compromised your liver or immune response, and/or that you lost years from your life.
    But I guess it's politically expedient for you do do so.
     
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    Terrible article. Even more terrible that people continue to lie saying that everyone who has COVID and dies is being listed as a COVID related death. This has never been the position of the CDC.
     
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    Think ribs and spine, upper left front ribcage. You want your projectile to impart max physical hydrostatic shock to the ribs and carry that physical shock back around to the spine and then to the central nervous system to shut down vital parasympathetic nerve centers; you want to make your quarry unable to breathe and shut down most body functions immediately from the shock. Your goal is to impart total disability immediately that results in a very quick death from the shock. If you can achieve this goal and also happen to go through the heart it doesn't matter -- if the heart were still intact it wouldn't beat anyway.

    If you put buckshot through the right or left mid abdomen clearing the lower ribcage and the upper hipcage it's going out the backside with very little physical shock to the nervous system, but the bleeding intestines will take your quarry through a slow, painful death. If your goal is maximum slow suffering for your quarry this is the best method (or optionally hitting many places of wounding, extremities included, with small projectiles).

    The way your projectile(s) causes the gunshot death is all preplanned (if your shot is on target) but it's all pure gunshot kill, even if there's a positive COVID-19 test at autopsy.
     
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    With enough split hairs one could rationalize a lot of causes of death in similar fashion. Did you know HIV doesn't actually kill anyone? People who have it die from the most general of bodily infections but when death happens we obviously attribute it to HIV.

    This article is dangerous fake news and I reported it as such. This is the type of ignorant lie that changed my mind about internet censorship. If this starts circulating around it could lead to even more dangerous behavior and the continued spread of COVID because DUMB PEOPLE are looking for any excuse to disregard the responsibility of containing this virus.
     
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    This was settled months ago when so many whistleblowers spoke out. Recall what censorship measures were applied against the Frontline Doctors. Censorship at its most fundamental level shows the censors have something to hide, that speaking or printing the truth harms the censors and any agenda they may advance.

    Rationalize it as you need to, but the censors show the whistleblowers to be speaking the truth.

    This was a planned event, and cooking the books sustained the fear factor presented in the media.
     
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    The headline is total B$. The CDC admitted no such thing. The data showed that 94% of cases had so-called co-morbidities. That doesn't mean those people would have died without covid. We already knew all of this, it is no secret that diabetes, heart disease etc, are risk factors for a bad covid prognosis.

    Next, I am sure you will tell us that 2,977 people didn't die 9/11 in the WTC because the towers went down, but because they had co-morbidities. After all, cause of death is ALWAYS the heart stopping to beat. This is becoming ridiculous.
     
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    Yup and 5G is turning frogs gay and Bill Gates wants to put microchips in you and the earth isn't really round and Bigfoot rides a unicorn.
     
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    Awww, you beat up his conspiwacy theowy.
     
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    The OP is on a relentless mission to negate the devastating havoc the pandemic was allowed to proliferate in the USA due to a sociopathic monster in The White House. Multiple threads in the same vein from the OP proves this out.
     
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    Fact remains - attributing deaths with and underlying conditions TO Covid, based in the fact the person HAS Covid, is dishonest at best.
    But then, 11k deaths aren't enough to scare people into wrecking their economies and voting for Biden, so/
    The CDC puts out fake news?
    https://nypost.com/2020/08/31/94-of-americans-who-died-from-covid-19-had-contributing-conditions/
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/...9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q
     
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    You are free to stay home and live in fear. Stay away from me and me away from you, deal?
     
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