CDC Warns It Expects Coronavirus to Spread in U.S

I'm sorry you don't like the the fact the sky is not falling, but falling it is not.

 

sure, still waiting on your link for purell hand sanitizer is in stock, maybe you mean by the end of summer

 

You dreaming as the average flu vaccines at best is only 50 percent efficient and uncommon flu strains fall far below the 50 percent mark. See the CDC website.

If we would get hit with a flu like the deadly Spanish flu of 1918 instead of ten millions deaths or so we might only loss 3 millions plus.

 

There are two separate but not equal systems. If your in Medicaid (MediCal in Calif), you have to be seen specific doctors and facilities. Most likely not the ones you'd like go to. I think that's what rubs them the wrong way. Why should WE get excellent service quickly when we work for our health insurance and they have to wait because they don't work for theirs but want the same service. Universal Health Care gives crappier health care to folks that work hard for better care now, and more expedient care for those that don't or won't work for theirs. It's typical class envy, they want what you have without working for it.

https://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/

 

Finally, a rational response to the mass insanity gripping the world:

May ithelp those who have completing lost their mfkn minds: (You know who you are)


DELETE THE TRUTH, IF IT PLEASES YOUR CHARACTER.

 

This is a different situation - a new virus which we do not yet know the full facts of but which we do know is unusually contagious and is deadly for the old and people with diabetes, heart problems and respiratory problems like asthma. There also is believed to be now two strains. The people who did the study that found the two strains suggested one strain was much stronger. We do not know what future strains will be like.

This makes this a different situation from the one the US health system is built on - you are all alone, if you do not look after yourself you will get a poor or no medical help. No one cares because it is up to you. In this situation people going around who are infectious are going to be spreading it to other people and as I said we do not yet know how bad it will get but we do know that already Italy's hospitals are being overwhelmed. In that situation there will be an increase in deaths both from those with the virus and from others with different medical issues who cannot get a bed. A lot of things need to be brought in with this virus that do not with other things - for instance giving money to those who do not get sick pay so that they stay off work and isolate themselves. Whether you offer them all treatment or leave those without to die is up to conscience. People are saying anyway that this is a test of our conscience. Do we go for economics and decide the old and those with the above medical problems can die because it is not us, or do we put everything into getting numbers down asap or is money the main thing that matters - never mind the reality that having changed once the virus may well change again affecting critically a lot more people.

(China put care of the people above money - no I am probably being over kind to them. The strong strain started first and it took time to see that it mainly killed the old and those with diabetes, heart problems and those with respiratory illnesses like asthma.)

 

There is no justice or morality in denying the living the right to life in order to save the dead from dying. What China and Italy did to its citizens is pure rotten evil masquerading as Mother Teresa, who was also pure rotten evil.

Insanity will not save the world, only reason will. (BTW: Why is God pissed at the Pope, and down right murderous with the Muslims? Obviously, prayer and faith are impotent.)

The reaction to this puny virus has done nothing but feed the delusions of the insane, the power of the politicians, and the intellectual illusions of the progressive propagandists, and the hysteria of the hysterical, and hasn’t done anything to stop the dead from dying, the sick from ailing, and the virus from spreading.

And where the fk are the rational? I know they aren’t at the department stores buying a years supply of sanitizer, bleach, and toilet paper.

Get a grip, citizens. Life triumphs everything.

 

The insane, overwrought, hysterical reaction to this puny non-lethal virus (for the young and healthy) has accomplished one thing, it’s collapsed the world’s economy. I’m sure the Progressives love that—natural retribution against the evil, selfish capitalists. Welcome to economic hell, you’ve earned it.

 

Just as well you are not in charge of any decisions then. I hear Italy's hospitals are overwhelmed. The main interest at the moment is to delay the virus's peak so that it happens in Summer when we are not dealing with the extra winter pressure our health services get. This may not work if the virus is less effective in Summer but at least will allow for some preparations - assuming a vaccination is not found. The best way to stop the virus spreading is to be pro active - that is to take the needed moves before they are an emergency which they are now in Italy. We only have about 230 cases and Johnson has decided not to bring in these kind of measures apparently against the advice of some of his medical advisors one of whom I have just seen on TV. Doing things aimed to contain the virus - shutting schools, stopping large gatherings, asking people to work from home and only to leave home in an emergency may seem anti democratic but the reality is that if we look at China, which certainly seems to have passed its peak, this allowed China to deal with the epidemic with very few lives lost although they also found their hospitals somewhat overwhelmed. Outside of where it began I believe there were no new cases yesterday. The UK is being told now to prepare for major disruptions and that we will within the next few days be told that if we have any temperature or just a little cold we should isolate ourselves for 7 days.

It is both to protect lives and to help the economy. It is essential not to allow our health services to be overwhelmed - though that is expected and it is believed that choices will be made which will lead to some deaths which might have been saved. The extent to which we can save the health service from being overwhelmed the more lives will be saved.The sooner it is dealt with the quicker economic life can get back.

I appreciated this is the time of emotion rather than trusting in experts and that that is what you are doing and as I said, thankfully you are not in charge of making any decisions.

 

All that European Socialist healthcare and Italy can’t deal with a puny virus? And that’s the healthcare Bernie’s offering? Lock up the living if the world gets sick? That’s sick.

It’s a GD cold/flu bug, not Ebola on steroids.

Here, you want an expert. Johns Hopkins meets that standard.

 

The virus has the potential to infect us all. It has a very high ability to infect people. We have been warned that 80% of us are likely to be infected. Of these 80-100% who are infected 15-20% will become seriously/critically ill and need hospital care. The belief presented was that 50% of us would get it in the first wave and by the end of the second 95% would have had it. From what I have heard again and again no countries medical services could cope with this, though there is particular concern as to how poorer countries will manage. That is why the top priority is to contain the virus and not have everyone getting it at once. As I also said before success will be greatest when countries are pro-active - when they take the needed measures to contain the virus before there is an emergency and in that way stop their hospitals being overwhelmed. These are the facts. Emotion does not change that.

 

So, you disagree with Johns Hopkins? And you are stating as fact, more individuals will catch COVID-19 than the cold or flu? That more will die from COVID-19 than influenza? And that’s the testimony of the experts? Are you a antivaxxer?

 

Just to put things perspective, in the 2018/2019 flu season 80,000 people died in the US from the regular old flu........Corona Virus in the US so far 23. Where was the panic then? Oh that's right, it's an attempt to derail the Economy in order to beat Trump in November, keep trying.

AGAIN FOR CLARITY........

https://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/

There are health care options for the poor.

 

And the death rate is most likely the same for Corona as for the flu. It's being dishonestly reported as high as 5% without the note that mild cases are not being identified and included. Meanwhile the Democrats are claiming racism for the attempt to block foreign travel from infected countries to the US. Voters see all this.

 

Just to put things in perspective. Deaths from flue range from 0.01%-0.1% Deaths from Covid-19 are expected to be in the range of 1-4% That is massively higher than flue. In addition the RO of flue is 1.2 That means that each person who gets flue passes it on to just over 1 person who then passes it on to just over one more. Covid-19 however has a RO of between 4 and 6.7. This is massive. That means every person who gets covid-19 passes it on to 4-6.7 people and then each of them pass it on to another 4-6.7 people. That is why we get situations like we do in Italy where 10 days ago I am told they had 600 cases and yesterday they had 9172 known cases.

 

It’s high because mild cases are not being measured and included. It’s most likely the same as the flu.

 

Yes that is what is being assumed. At the moment deaths are 6% but it has been expected that others who are asymptomatic or not very ill will bring it down. That is why the WHO has the expected death rate at the moment at 3.4% Now we know already that the infection rate is very high. The UK is expecting 80% so what is needed is to reduce the RO. That is done by such measures as closing schools, stopping large public gatherings and if possible getting people to work at home and to stay home. That is the only way to keep the death rate as low as possible and hospitals able to function and look after all those who need their care. Remember not only does Covid-19 kill 1-4% compared with flues .0.01-0.001% but Covid -19 infects massively more people - flue does not come near infecting the entire society which Covid-19 is capable of.

We will almost certainly see a massive rise in the US in the next 2 weeks - provided the US identifies it. I have heard that people are being told they can only have the test if they have several other tests first. I understand you are not charging for the Covd-19 at the moment but do charge for the others which obviously poorer people will not be able to afford and will go out infecting others. Things do not look good for the US.

 

We were sold the same bill of good about SARS, the Bird Flu and Ebola. 80,000 people in the U.S. died from the regular flu in the 2018/2019 flu season, where was the panic then? Did you know 171 people die everyday from simply falling down. 11 people die every day from texting and driving.

To quote Sir Charles Dilke, there are "Lies, damned lies, and statistics".

 

lol you might want said that to family member of victim who died during the outbreak, say its puny flu/cold. currently there is 700+ case in US that's confirmed, but no one know how many there is. now the weather is getting warmer, so the infection might slow down a bit. still, what happen when infection cases raise rapidly, guess who people gonna blame, the government. so its better to be safe than sorry. notice both Italy and S.korea lack down part of the country to contain it.

 

I have no idea what you were sold. We know what I said. If you prefer to destroy your country rather than deal with it, your problem. One of the reasons the WHO raised the expected death rate from 2% to 3.4% was because of countries like the US run by people who do not believe in experts who are making no moves to minimise the damage.

Oh another comparison. The number who died in the 1918 Spanish flue was below 2%. It is very possible this Covid-19 will kill more.

 

It’s high due to a lack of data.

 

Lots of countries, including the US under the Trump administration, are massively scaling up their Coronavirus Testing abilities. This will at first make the situation look a lot worse because many people who would otherwise not have been sick enough to get tested will get tested anyway, resulting in perhaps greatly inflated infection numbers.

That's only for the first month or so though. When people who are not sick enough to even get tested under normal circumstances are coming back positive for Coronavirus, what this will do in the long run is shrink the death rate on paper of the virus. I'm guessing it will fall from 3% to 2%, maybe even less. Depending on just how many people they test, the fatality rate might even bottom out under 1%.

 

Why do you think we care what you think?

 

I already explained that. I had you on ignore and will put you back. Live in your dreams if you cannot stand reality.