Change of Motto?

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  1. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    we petition the obama administration to:
    Change the motto of the United States of America to "E Pluribus Unum"

    Until 1956, "E Pluribus Unum," Latin for "Out of Many, One," was considered the de facto motto of the United States of America, representing both the unity and diversity that define America. In 1956, the United States adopted a different motto, "In God We Trust." This motto, instead of emphasizing the unity of this country, has served to divide us between believers and nonbelievers. It is a product of the same Cold-War-era "Us vs. Them" mentality that led to McCarthyism and the HUAC. It is in violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution, advocating religion over irreligion where they should be treated equally. It is time to adopt a motto that unites us rather than divides us, a motto in line with the Constitution that speaks to what truly makes America g
    https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitio...nited-states-america-e-pluribus-unum/xf3jN26S

    I would support it, the petitioned motto is far more inclusive.
     
  2. BuckNaked

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    Mottos usually define the status quo. Perhaps something like;


    Plutocracy; protecting the 2% upper/elite, for the good of nobody else.


    Of course that may be too much to put on the shrinking dollar.
     
  3. Unifier

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    Stop self-segregating and you'll stop feeling left out. You do this to yourself and then you blame us for it.


    If you truly believed this, you would be equally militant about shutting down atheists and atheist groups who go around suing everybody trying to get every shred of anything religious removed from public eye. Which you're not.

    You want an atheist nation with atheistic mottos, but you advance your cause under the guise of "fairness." A fairness that only seems to work one way. When non-religion infringes on religion, it doesn't seem to bother you that much.

    You don't even know what fairness is. If you did, you would not be pushing to get In God We Trust removed. You would understand why it's not a violation of anything. And why your actions have no altruism behind them at all. They are about nothing more than shaping the world to your own selfish vision at the expense of everyone else.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Amendment 1 of the Constitution of the United States
    Please take note that it says freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion as these two words have very different meanings.

    "In God We Trust" does not violate the constitution as it does not say anything supporting any one particular religion. All religions have a god and since atheism isn't a religion as they believe in nothing, the first amendment doesn't apply to this issue.
     
  5. BuckNaked

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    Your claim is that the government can impose religion as long as they don't play favorite to just one, which is totally absurd, and completely contradicts the entire purpose of the amendment, freedom of religious tyranny. Religion cannot be imposed on the individual, is exactly what it is saying/implying.
     
     
    It places the responsibility for their belief on the individual, without government intervention, interference, or imposition. You are free to be religious, or you are free to be religious free. You have the freedom of religion and it's the individuals choice.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A depressing combination of ignorance and arrogance. Not all religions have gods, not all religions with gods only have one and not all religions with one god would agree with the concept of trusting in God.

    You're probably right (more by luck than judgement) that it isn't technically a constitutional issue but that doesn't automatically make it right.
     
  7. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    While I enjoyed the conspiracy theory, my motives are quite clearly stated.

    The national motto should be all inclusive, and not a motto that divides the people.
     
  8. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Actually, it does cater to a particular religion. Christianity, you can play dumb all day if you wish, however it is very obvious.

    If you do wish to play word games, then one could just as easily argument that it does cater to a particular religion, monotheism. It excludes poly theism. The motto is catering to an establishment of religion. No one is arguing a freedom from religion, that is simply a misnomer used to divert the attention of the debate to another irrelevant issue. The issue is that the government should be secular and unbiased. Using divisive mottos is a bias.
     
  9. BuckNaked

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    Everybody's beautiful in their own way.
     
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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    True, however the motto excludes all non-monotheists.
     
  11. BuckNaked

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    No that's my new motto it covers everybody! :wink:
     
  12. toddwv

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    Sounds good to me. We can also change the "Pledge of Allegiance" by replacing "under God" with "out of many".
     

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