Chemical weapons came from Saddam's Iraq

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  1. Jallen289

    Jallen289 New Member

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    "In 2006, former Iraqi general Georges Sada, second in command of the Iraqi Air Force who served under Saddam Hussein before he defected, wrote a comprehensive book, “Saddam’s Secrets.”

    It details how the Iraqi Revolutionary Guard moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria in advance of the U.S.-led action to eliminate Hussein’s WMD threat.

    As Sada told the New York Sun, two Iraqi Airways Boeings were converted to cargo planes by removing the seats, and special Republican Guard units loaded the planes with chemical weapons materials.

    There were 56 flights disguised as a relief effort after a 2002 Syrian dam collapse.

    There were also truck convoys into Syria. Sada’s comments came more than a month after Israel’s top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam “transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria.”

    Both Israeli and U.S. intelligence observed large truck convoys leaving Iraq and entering Syria in the weeks and months before Operation Iraqi Freedom, John Shaw, former deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, told a private conference of former weapons inspectors and intelligence experts held in Arlington, Va., in 2006." http://news.investors.com/article/618875/201207191902/syria-chemical-weapons-came-from-iraq-.htm

    I remember the reports of convoys leaving Iraq and entering Syria before the invasion. Obviously, the media barely covered it and have never mentioned it since.

    It is my opinion, along with millions around the world, that these WMDs were part of Saddam's arsenal.

    There is evidence of this, and no evidence to refute it.

    Let the liberal spin begin!
     
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    Libs actually helped Saddam move the weapons to Syria by delaying the US attack while Bush jumped through hoops put up by the libs.
     
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    Patently ridiculous. Saddam and Assad hated each other.

    So, let me see if I have your wild-ass story straight here. A petty dictator who knows that a bat-crap-crazy enemy is about to invade for no good reason is going to move all of the stuff that would give him the means to resist to the territory of a mortal enemy.

    Yup. Makes perfect sense after three fingers of bourbon.
     
  4. Mac-7

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    They hated everyone in the West more.

    Remember when Iran gave shelter to Iraq's air force during the first Iraq war?

    Now there was two countries that hated each other but they still cooperated against their common enemy the United States.
     
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    Spare parts. Think.
     
  6. fifthofnovember

    fifthofnovember Well-Known Member

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    What part of this is a current event? Saddam's Iraq? A 2006 book?
     
  7. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

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    I wonder who sold those WMD to Iraq...
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/dec/31/iraq.politics

    And now Republicans, in the main, are whining that yet another unpleasant dictator might get to use them. See, you don't go selling chemical and/or biological agents to nasty individuals in the hope they won't use them. You sell them for two reasons; to make money and to serve your own interests, political or otherwise.
    Does anyone else see the glaring hypocrisy here? 'Here is some Tabun. Promise you'll never use it'
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17/how-reagan-armed-saddam-with-chemical-weapons/
    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm

    So why did the West sell this stuff to unstable dictatorships?
     
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    What WMD's?

    According to most libs Saddam had no WMD's.
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    There were none found in Iraq. Did you miss that part? Furthermore the jaw-dropping hypocrisy of Bush's continual aggressiveness in stating that the invasion was, in part, to rid Saddam of the very WMD America, Germany, Britain and others supplied him with, seems to have escaped you.
     
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    But they did magically turn up in Syria.

    Chances are if libs had not delayed the start the invasion for so long Saddam would not have had time to move his WMD's out of the country.

    BTW: no Western country sold WMD's to Iraq.
     
  11. fifthofnovember

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    Says you. The link snakestretcher gave says otherwise.
    No wonder the US was so sure he had those WMDs; we had the bills of sale!
     
  12. Mac-7

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    It really doesn't matter where you or Snake believe the weapons came from.

    He had them and that made him a serious threat.
     
  13. DonGlock26

    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    Where did Saddam's jets flee to in 1991?

    " After this episode, the Iraqis made no more air efforts of their own, only sending most of their jets to Iran in hopes that they might someday get their air force back. (Iran never returned the jets.)"


    http://www.indepthinfo.com/iraq/airwar.shtml

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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    and all the libs sat on their hands and said nothing while Obama illegally invaded Libya.......
     
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    Make mine W. L. Weller, or Maker's Mark, with two ice cubes and nothing else.

    More than anything else, THIS time, before we say or do anything, WE MUST be very certain that we have really done our "due diligence" and dug all the way to the bottom of the evidence to determine whether there are any Syrian "WMDs", and IF they truly exist, whether they really originated in Iraq or not.

    After his long, bloody war with Iran, which ended essentially in a stalemate, and after Saddam got handed his ass in shreds by the US in Desert Storm, the Iraqi dictator put out lots of FUD about how he had all kinds of dreadful weapons -- and he did it to try to keep the Iranians from mounting another war against Iraq again while he was especially vulnerable.

    In 2002 and early 2003, the best European intel agencies concluded that Saddam didn't have anything except for a pile of old Soviet surplus crap, but the information force-fed to "W" Bush did not agree. The useless, futile misery of our Iraq "adventure" followed, and hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of dead or wounded US soldiers later, we are still paying the price for our misjudgement.

    That said, I have this one bit of advice: unless there is an imminent threat to the United States of America posed by the government and/or military forces of Syria, we should stay completely the hell OUT of their civil war. This is almost the exact wording of the War Powers Act, which our current President War Lord violated with his own adventure in Libya, wasting a billion dollars in American weapons and nearly getting some of our people killed. We have quite enough on our national "plate" without any more foreign "Nixon-esque" diversions in other countries. Our own is falling apart before our eyes....
     
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    America invaded Libya? When was this?
     
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    Are you surprised the mainstream is NOT picking up on this? Or....if they are....they are staying silent about it?
    I, too, believe that the possibility these are some of Saddam's stockpiles is certainly possible......given the evidence of trucks moving from Iraq into Syria during the time period that the the US was having to do a "two-step" and delay with the UN.

    Don't hold your breath that this administration will look into it....OR that the mainstream press/media will either, since they pretty much work for this administration.
     
  18. The Mello Guy

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    So its the same recycled claim from 2006 with no new info...
     
  19. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Talk out of both sides of your mouth much?
     
  20. The Mello Guy

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    Mr. Sada, 65, told the Sun that the pilots of the two airliners that transported the weapons of mass destruction to Syria from Iraq approached him in the middle of 2004, after Saddam was captured by American troops.

    "I know them very well. They are very good friends of mine. We trust each other. We are friends as pilots," Mr. Sada said of the two pilots. He declined to disclose their names, saying they are concerned for their safety. But he said they are now employed by other airlines outside Iraq.

    So the entire source for the story is a guy, who heard it from his friends, but he wont tell us who they are...

    this is some serious evidence!
     
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    Saddam to Assad: "Look, the US is going to invade my country soon. It's a fact that if I used my WMD's on them I'm dead meat. They'll drop thirty Moabs on my head. So I'm giving you my WMD's for free. That way IF I can con my way out of the mess I'm in with the UN and they don't find any WMDs I might live to torture another day." BTW Saddam and Assad's old man where enemies but not so much with the son. He is/was more pragmatic when it came to Syria's relationship with Iraq.
     
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    Yer so petty dimwitted.Like using that Rationale it would be impossible for the
    Almighty Dictator to ever be found living like a slug underground in a makeshift
    hole like some stumblebum hobo.
    Yet that is how Saddam survived once Iraqi Freedom took hold
    It is patently believable for Saddam to have moved under cover of a slight sandstorm,
    in the dead of night Truckload of Chemical/Biological weapons to Damascus for a
    Price.Like those in the Arab world wouldn't dare do anything for a price.Saddam had
    loads of cash.Uday and Quasay ransacked a nearby World Bank and took a
    truckload of One Billion Dollars with just their Father signature on a piece of paper
    as authority.Much of it was American $100 dollar bills.Later found in one of
    the 50+ Palaces Saddam used for his pleasure.
     
  23. The Mello Guy

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    lots of things you have no proof of are also believable....it doesnt mean they are true
     
  24. Iron River

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    So why did Assad allow so many people to cross from Syria into Iraq? Could it have been that he likes you less that he hated Saddam??

    [/quote]So, let me see if I have your wild-ass story straight here. A petty dictator who knows that a bat-crap-crazy enemy is about to invade for no good reason is going to move all of the stuff that would give him the means to resist to the territory of a mortal enemy.

    Yup. Makes perfect sense after three fingers of bourbon.[/QUOTE] So you think that Saddam and his sons were rational thinkers?? It takes more than two fingers of bourbon to come to that decision..

    Saddam made several decision - in your opinion - that seemed less than rational to me. He could have stopped our actions by proving that he had no WMDs. He believed the Russians when they told him that we would not invade even when Hillary and most of the far left supported our military actions. Hell, Saddam thought that he could take Kuwait and sell the oil to us.

    Keep drinking and thinking that Saddam would need to be drunk to do crazy things. I admit that Saddam did like to get drunk and watch rape videos and torture videos but I blame that of his insanity.
     
  25. Jallen289

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    Well it makes perfectly good sense to move all the reasons they are invading in the first place. This would make Americans look like fools. I find it interesting that while you have an opinion on every post, you never, ever, provide sources or any type of proof to back anything up.

    Pathetic.
     

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