Christian Bakers Forced to Pay Nearly $137,000 for Refusing to Make Gay Wedding Cake Up the Ante in

Please for the love of God learn what the word discrimination means because all laws discriminate against a certain form of behavior. Stop pretending discrimination only applies to your political argument because it doesn't.

 

LOL Screenshot for later.

 

legally, discrimination is against a protected group.

such as blacks, Jews, Christians, men, women, Irish, etc.

 

Ah, gone are the good ole days when you could tell those uppity Negroes who wanted to eat a burger and fries where the whites were eating to go **** off.


Memories...

 

No, its not.

Definition of discrimination
1a : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment

• racial discrimination

: the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually
2: the quality or power of finely distinguishing

• the film viewed by those with discrimination

3a : the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating

• a bloodhound's scent discrimination

You want to pretend it only applies to social justice causes but that is not the definition of the word.

 

Wow - you're suggesting they can discriminate against the couple because they think the couple will use the product they sell for a purpose they don't agree with?

Where would THAT end?

I mean, there are Christians who hate every possible aspect of the lives of same sex couples.

Paul's letters include direction to avoid contact with sinners - not just with weddings of sinners.


You're not providing a boundary of ANY kind. You're just arguing that claiming a religious exemption means you can discriminate. Period.

And, as I stated before, whether the baker sold these folks a cake at some time in the past makes zero difference. It just goes to identifying a quirk in their personal religion.

The Kleins are willing to sell a cake for a same sex party, but not for a same sex wedding reception??? Weird, but so what?

 

I said LEGAL DEFINITION.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/discrimination

http://civilrights.findlaw.com/civil-rights-overview/what-is-discrimination.html

 

Everyone is entitled to the equal protection of the laws. Bakers and anybody else who are not government employees should be free to discriminate in any way they see fit.

 

I have found I can have more productive conversations with my 4 year old grandson than some posters here.

 

wrong, it should be and IS illegal to refuse service to a customer simply because they are Russian or white.

 

It maybe illegal, but it shouldn't be.

 

no, it should be illegal.

and it is and will stay that way and we will fight to maintain it

 

Why should it be? Why shouldn't people be able to join together and exclude other people? What is wrong with the freedom of association?

 

you have the right to ban Jews, Gays, women, blacks, Muslims, from your home, car, boat, etc.

 

The issue here is public accommodation law in general. This case is a test of the law as a whole, not just of the quirky interpretations of one baker.

The law must cover all the choices a public accommodation might make.

For example, a public accommodation may refuse to rent a hotel room to a same sex couple on grounds of what might go on in there.
Some other baker might see ALL parties that require a cake to be against their religion, because of what they perceive a party coordinated by a same sex couple might lead to.

You're trying to make this about a cake and a wedding. And, that is the immediate case, but the result IS a test of the law as a whole - what the requirements are for any law on public accommodation as it relates to discrimination.

The SC isn't interested in seeing another case in a few months where the issue is a hotel renting rooms, a chef cooking food, a party favors store, etc., etc.

If you were at all honest, you would recognize that you are trying to create is a blanket excuse for discrimination against same sex individuals. Period. You can tell that, because you provide NO limits for your religious exemption from all discrimination law.


So, what discrimination against same sex couples would you accept as federal public accommodation law?

Where would you draw the line for all religious persons in America, regardless of faith?

 

People have the right to ban Gays, Jews, Muslims, blacks, any group they want from their privcate property. Their homes. Their cars. Their boats. Their private planes.

But if you have a licensed business, you can't ban them.

Deal with it.

 

Well, you seem to pretend that the law just accepts any old internet definition of the word.

And, that is definitely not the case.

 

For an event that is specially against their religion violating the 1st amendment. What part of that escapes you?

Your anti Christian bias doesn't count for much.

If you actually understood the Bible you would know the difference between loving the sinner and hating the sin.

This is how these Christians can serve a homosexual but when they are asked to participate in an event that is purposely unrepentant and sinful to their religion and forcing a personal contribution to that event from them that violates their religious beliefs, they cannot do so.

Don't make up what I said. I even bolded the difference between a person and an event. If you cannot be truthful enough to admit the distinction just run away but don't make up something I never said just because you cannot argue the true point being made.

It makes all the difference. You cannot even explain why they did serve them in the past. Try answering that question. If there is no difference why did they serve them when a gay wedding was not the event? Explain yourself Will because I'm growing tired of your refusal to admit the stark differences between the examples.

 

Then quote any federal law that defines discrimination only the way you do. Go ahead Will Time to pay the piper. We both know it doesn't exist.

 

Right.

For that, you'll have to find yourself some other country.

Just sayin'

 

Actually, you will.

 

I deal with it by complaining and insisting that supporters justify their opinions.

 

Or change this one.

 

its no longer opinion, but legal precedent.

even Russia bans discrimination due to religion, nationality, ethnicity.