Climate change is real says 97% of scientists

Why is this thread still open after 500+ posts? Why is this not in the conspiracy theory category instead of current events? Why don't you try reading this from a climate scientist:

 

Proof please.

 

After decades of research and effort we have still not found a cure for cancer. Should we stop trying?

 

End of the last Great Ice Age, 12,000-15,000 years ago.

Go to Michigan,and head North , East or West. See those? Those are called "THE GREAT LAKES", formed when the CLIMATE CHANGED, 12,000-15,000 years ago.

Also when GLACIERS WERE FORMED, out of melting solid sheets of ice up to a mile thick.


Duh...,Why is the Left always BEREFT of the OBVIOUS FACTS?

 

I suppose you fail to see the irony of your post

 

Once Doctors discover a treatment does not work thy move on. So far we have discovered that CO2 taxes, carbon exchanges,and attempting to implement solar and wind power to replace carbon has failed. Got any new ideas or do you still think leeching works?

pf course the entire CO2 argument is falling apart but that is for another post

 

Is "conspiracy theory" Rodentese for "Oh no, I've been caught! Save me, somebody"? Warmalarmists are squealing that phrase like mice in mousetraps. Maybe you ought to re-mutate and take up residence in a Roach Motel.

 

An oncologist is a childish escapist Mama's Boy who doesn't earn a living until he is 30 years old because he is afraid to grow up. With only freaks like that working on curing cancer, instead of geniuses with self-respect, why should we give a dime to research? The Warmalarmists are of the same ilk.

 

At this point to deny climate change in the face of the overwhelming Data is to paint oneself as uninformed or purposefully ignorant. We have even begun to note overall changes in weather patterns, which should begin to see even the least of us accept the realities.

Unfortunately, it is too late to deal with the fallout in any meaningful way, thus we must deal instead with the inevitable damage coming our way.
It no longer even matters what people think, preparation should be the focus going forward.

 

pssst , climate is always changing and has always been changing. Only thing different about now is that they figure out how to politicize it and rape the taxpayers implementing useless taxes and regulations

 

Hahahahaha what?

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Hahahahaha what?

 

don't forget boys and girls global warming is causing long cold winters

 

Good grief you're obtuse, lol...

"For 2013, the Obama administration has requested an additional $770 million for its policy, a figure that if approved by Congress would bring total foreign climate change spending to $3.3 billion."

See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/oba...-global-warming-overseas#sthash.mTfLdupP.dpuf

$3.3 billion just for the U.S. in 1 year - and that's before you begin counting individual agency funding and the eco-crazies in Europe. Then there are the subsidies to their "green" buddies, and the fraudulent companies they establish to launder the money.

If the average citizen is moronic enough to let the thieves walk into the treasury and haul the loot out by the truckload, then the leftist thieves who are perpetuating the fraud will be only too happy to take the money and run.

It's outright laughable that eco-nuts would even try to make the argument that private funding for actual climate science is anywhere near the $billions that corrupt governments spend on perpetuating the lie.

The AGW/Climate Change congame is big, big $$$ for anyone dishonest enough to provide the results the corrupt government officials handing out the money want.

 

And that is money going into mitigation - what you have still to establish is that any of that money goes back into primary research into either causes of global warming or even effects of global warming

Research papers have to declare possible sources of funding bias - show me the global warming papers, say on the infamous "hockey stick" (and there are more than a few papers verifying the findings) that have a clear link to any of this money

 

009-2013 Quantifying the influence of environmental temperature on transmission of vector-borne diseases, NSF-EF [Principal Investigator: M. Thomas; Co-Investigators: R.G. Crane, M.E. Mann, A. Read, T. Scott (Penn State Univ.)] $1,884,991

2009-2012 Toward Improved Projections of the Climate Response to Anthropogenic Forcing: Combining Paleoclimate Proxy and Instrumental Observations with an Earth System Model, NSF-ATM [Principal Investigator: M.E. Mann; Co-Investigators: K. Keller (Penn State Univ.), A. Timmermann (Univ. of Hawaii)] $541,184

2008-2011 A Framework for Probabilistic Projections of Energy-Relevant Streamflow Indices, DOE [Principal Investigator: T. Wagener; Co-Investigators: M. Mann, R. Crane, K. Freeman (Penn State Univ.)] $330,000

2008-2009 AMS Industry/Government Graduate Fellowship (Anthony Sabbatelli), American Meteorological Society [Principal Investigator: M.E. Mann (Penn State Univ.)] $23,000

2006-2009 Climate Change Collective Learning and Observatory Network in Ghana, USAID [Principal Investigator: P. Tschakert; Co-Investigators: M.E. Mann, W. Easterling (Penn State Univ.)] $759,928

2006-2009 Analysis and testing of proxy-based climate reconstructions, NSF-ATM [Principal Investigator: M.E. Mann (Penn State Univ.)] $459,000

2006-2009 Constraining the Tropical Pacific’s Role in Low-Frequency Climate Change of the Last Millennium, NOAA-Climate Change Data & Detection (CCDD) Program [Principal Investigators: K. Cobb (Georgia Tech Univ.), N. Graham (Hydro. Res. Center), M.E. Mann (Penn State Univ.), Hoerling (NOAA Clim. Dyn. Center), Alexander (NOAA Clim. Dyn. Center)] PSU award (M.E. Mann): $68,065

2006-2007 Acquisition of high-performance computing cluster for the Penn State Earth System Science Center (ESSC), NSF-EAR [Principal Investigator: M.E. Mann, Co-Investigators: R. Alley, M. Arthur, J. Evans, D. Pollard (Penn State Univ.)] $100,000

2003-2006 Decadal Variability in the Tropical Indo-Pacific: Integrating Paleo & Coupled Model Results, NOAA-Climate Change Data & Detection (CCDD) Program [Principal Investigators: M.E. Mann (U.Va), J. Cole (U. Arizona), V. Mehta (CRCES)] U.Va award (M.E. Mann): $102,000

2002-2005 Reconstruction and Analysis of Patterns of Climate Variability Over the Last One to Two Millennia, NOAA-Climate Change Data & Detection (CCDD) Program [Principal Investigator: M.E. Mann, Co-Investigators: S. Rutherford, R.S. Bradley, M.K. Hughes] $315,000

2002-2005 Remote Observations of Ice Sheet Surface Temperature: Toward Multi-Proxy Reconstruction of Antarctic Climate Variability, NSF-Office of Polar Programs, Antarctic Oceans and Climate System [Principal Investigators: M.E. Mann (U. Va), E. Steig (U. Wash.), D. Weinbrenner (U. Wash)] U.Va award (M.E. Mann): $133,000

2002-2003 Paleoclimatic Reconstructions of the Arctic Oscillation, NOAA-Cooperative Institute for Arctic Research (CIFAR) Program [Principal Investigators: Rosanne D’Arrigo, Ed Cook (Lamont/Columbia); Co-Investigator: M.E. Mann] U.Va subcontract (M.E. Mann): $14,400

2002-2003 Global Multidecadal-to-Century-Scale Oscillations During the Last 1000 years, NOAA-Climate Change Data & Detection (CCDD) Program [Principal Investigator: Malcolm Hughes (Univ. of Arizona); Co-Investigators: M.E. Mann; J. Park (Yale University)] U.Va subcontract (M.E. Mann): $20,775

2001-2003 Resolving the Scale-wise Sensitivities in the Dynamical Coupling Between Climate and the Biosphere, University of Virginia-Fund for Excellence in Science and Technology (FEST) [Principal Investigator: J.D. Albertson; Co-Investigators: H. Epstein, M.E. Mann] U.Va internal award: $214,700

2001-2002 Advancing predictive models of marine sediment transport, Office of Naval Research [Principal Investigator: P. Wiberg (U.Va), Co-Investigator: M.E. Mann] $20,775

1999-2002 Multiproxy Climate Reconstruction: Extension in Space and Time, and Model/Data Intercomparison, NOAA-Earth Systems History [Principal Investigator: M.E. Mann (U.Va), Co-Investigators: R.S. Bradley, M.K. Hughes] $381,647

1998-2000 Validation of Decadal-to-Multi-century climate predictions, DOE [Principal Investigator: R.S. Bradley (U. Mass); Co-Investigators: H.F. Diaz, M.E. Mann]

1998-2000 The changing seasons? Detecting and understanding climatic change, NSF-Hydrological Science [Principal Investigator U. Lall (U. Utah); Co-investigators: M.E. Mann, B. Rajagopalan, M. Cane] $266,235K

1996-1999 Patterns of Organized Climatic Variability: Spatio-Temporal Analysis of Globally

Distributed Climate Proxy Records and Long-term Model Integrations, NSF-Earth Systems History [Principal Investigator: R.S. Bradley (U. Mass); Co-Investigators: M.E. Mann, M.K. Hughes] $270,000

1996-1998 Investigation of Patterns of Organized Large-Scale Climatic Variability During the Last

Millennium, DOE, Alexander Hollaender Postdoctoral Fellowship [M.E. Mann] $78,000

http://doingadvancework.blogspot.com/2011/11/mike-mann-brought-at-least-4166168-to.html

it's all public record

instead opf wasting money on this nonsense it should be going to scientists doing real work

 

And your "proof" is a blog - and not one of them has proven that Mann actually got any of that money for himself. Yes he would have attracted monies to the department - that is what department heads DO. But that does not also mean that ANYONE got rich off of that money. Funding research is not the same as paying someone to spread disinformation

Research is expensive. 4 million is actually not that much money when we are talking about something with a global impact.

This is EPIDEMIOLOGY - and it would not necessarily even BE in Mann's department and he may just be an advisor on the panel reviewing the use of statistics in the paper

Interestingly though there appears to be no such paper ever published under that name but maybe the paper is yet to be written. So just because Mann appears as a "co-investigator" (which could mean ANYTHING) does not mean he got the funding - in fact the person who DID get the funding was the guy Thomas who has published

http://www.pnas.org/content/106/33/13844.short

In fact it is highly probable that Mann and his department saw very very little of that money

Now THIS one he and we do not have breakdown of what that money did. Did a proportion of that money go to other researchers? Here is the home site of that research project

http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/research/p2c2/projsumm.html

Since this is a major major research project probably involving multiple personnel I would think 500,000 would probably be not a lot of money - we are talking more than one salary over more than one year yes?

I could go on but none of this proves that Mann has benefitted from the grants and believe it or not these grants mostly are small

2008-2009 AMS Industry/Government Graduate Fellowship (Anthony Sabbatelli), American Meteorological Society [Principal Investigator: M.E. Mann (Penn State Univ.)] $23,000

2006-2009 Climate Change Collective Learning and Observatory Network in Ghana, USAID [Principal Investigator: P. Tschakert; Co-Investigators: M.E. Mann, W. Easterling (Penn State Univ.)] $759,928

2006-2009 Analysis and testing of proxy-based climate reconstructions, NSF-ATM [Principal Investigator: M.E. Mann (Penn State Univ.)] $459,000

2006-2009 Constraining the Tropical Pacific’s Role in Low-Frequency Climate Change of the Last Millennium, NOAA-Climate Change Data & Detection (CCDD) Program [Principal Investigators: K. Cobb (Georgia Tech Univ.), N. Graham (Hydro. Res. Center), M.E. Mann (Penn State Univ.), Hoerling (NOAA Clim. Dyn. Center), Alexander (NOAA Clim. Dyn. Center)] PSU award (M.E. Mann): $68,065

2006-2007 Acquisition of high-performance computing cluster for the Penn State Earth System Science Center (ESSC), NSF-EAR [Principal Investigator: M.E. Mann, Co-Investigators: R. Alley, M. Arthur, J. Evans, D. Pollard (Penn State Univ.)] $100,000

2003-2006 Decadal Variability in the Tropical Indo-Pacific: Integrating Paleo & Coupled Model Results, NOAA-Climate Change Data & Detection (CCDD) Program [Principal Investigators: M.E. Mann (U.Va), J. Cole (U. Arizona), V. Mehta (CRCES)] U.Va award (M.E. Mann): $102,000

2002-2005 Reconstruction and Analysis of Patterns of Climate Variability Over the Last One to Two Millennia, NOAA-Climate Change Data & Detection (CCDD) Program [Principal Investigator: M.E. Mann, Co-Investigators: S. Rutherford, R.S. Bradley, M.K. Hughes] $315,000

2002-2005 Remote Observations of Ice Sheet Surface Temperature: Toward Multi-Proxy Reconstruction of Antarctic Climate Variability, NSF-Office of Polar Programs, Antarctic Oceans and Climate System [Principal Investigators: M.E. Mann (U. Va), E. Steig (U. Wash.), D. Weinbrenner (U. Wash)] U.Va award (M.E. Mann): $133,000

2002-2003 Paleoclimatic Reconstructions of the Arctic Oscillation, NOAA-Cooperative Institute for Arctic Research (CIFAR) Program [Principal Investigators: Rosanne D’Arrigo, Ed Cook (Lamont/Columbia); Co-Investigator: M.E. Mann] U.Va subcontract (M.E. Mann): $14,400

2002-2003 Global Multidecadal-to-Century-Scale Oscillations During the Last 1000 years, NOAA-Climate Change Data & Detection (CCDD) Program [Principal Investigator: Malcolm Hughes (Univ. of Arizona); Co-Investigators: M.E. Mann; J. Park (Yale University)] U.Va subcontract (M.E. Mann): $20,775

2001-2003 Resolving the Scale-wise Sensitivities in the Dynamical Coupling Between Climate and the Biosphere, University of Virginia-Fund for Excellence in Science and Technology (FEST) [Principal Investigator: J.D. Albertson; Co-Investigators: H. Epstein, M.E. Mann] U.Va internal award: $214,700

2001-2002 Advancing predictive models of marine sediment transport, Office of Naval Research [Principal Investigator: P. Wiberg (U.Va), Co-Investigator: M.E. Mann] $20,775

1999-2002 Multiproxy Climate Reconstruction: Extension in Space and Time, and Model/Data Intercomparison, NOAA-Earth Systems History [Principal Investigator: M.E. Mann (U.Va), Co-Investigators: R.S. Bradley, M.K. Hughes] $381,647

1998-2000 Validation of Decadal-to-Multi-century climate predictions, DOE [Principal Investigator: R.S. Bradley (U. Mass); Co-Investigators: H.F. Diaz, M.E. Mann]

1998-2000 The changing seasons? Detecting and understanding climatic change, NSF-Hydrological Science [Principal Investigator U. Lall (U. Utah); Co-investigators: M.E. Mann, B. Rajagopalan, M. Cane] $266,235K

1996-1999 Patterns of Organized Climatic Variability: Spatio-Temporal Analysis of Globally

Distributed Climate Proxy Records and Long-term Model Integrations, NSF-Earth Systems History [Principal Investigator: R.S. Bradley (U. Mass); Co-Investigators: M.E. Mann, M.K. Hughes] $270,000

1996-1998 Investigation of Patterns of Organized Large-Scale Climatic Variability During the Last

Millennium, DOE, Alexander Hollaender Postdoctoral Fellowship [M.E. Mann] $78,000

http://doingadvancework.blogspot.com/2011/11/mike-mann-brought-at-least-4166168-to.html



it's all public record

instead opf wasting money on this nonsense it should be going to scientists doing real work[/QUOTE]

 

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*)! Where is the money and why have there been no prosecutions? The Obama administration has done nothing but cover it up. It is one more reason why the usurper Obama should be impeached and executed for treason.

 

The Warmist Religion is DEAD; they just don't know it , yet....

 

appears 90% + of the world does not give a darn

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/...d-just-doesnt-care-much-about-climate-change/

 

Please, 99.9% of warmists never see the data. What they see is interpretations thereof presented by people who have demonstrated no competence whatsoever, but which confirm their fatuous prejudices.

Which, given the temporal scope of our observational capabilities, is only impressive to the deplorably naive.

 

It is interesting that you know the familiarity of "99.9%" of those who agree with the science, let alone that you feel they are "Deplorably Naïve". This a particularly pertinent statement when one considers the topic being discussed. If for some strange reason you feel there is a conspiracy to fabricate data based on "Prejudice", I would be interested to hear what you base your opinion on.....other than a prejudice for ignorance.
As for the scope of our ability to observe, it does not require anything more than noting the earlier spring, the frequency and strength of storms, the temperature fluctuation of both the oceans and atmosphere, or the severity of drought and wildfires to see something is afoot.

 

the only thing afoot is a disinformation campaign by the political elites that there is a problem and only big government and taxes can save us from it. Climate was changing long before Al Gore invented the internet

http://www.pnas.org/content/97/4/1331/F1.expansion.html#ref-37

 

If I did I'd say so, obviously; but of course even though I don't, I know I can count on some idiot to try to put words in my mouth.

I don't know who the hell you think you're kidding.

None of which we are able to do, seeing our observational capability doesn't go back far enough for any meaningful comparisons.

For that you can mostly thank Sierra Club and its eco-fraud confederates, which have been blocking salvage logging on federal lands in court for the last couple decades.

 

Ah....I see, you are one of THOSE types of denialists. Using ancient core samples to point out the obvious nature of climate fluctuation while ignoring those self same cores when they point out the rapidity of current changes, the CO2 signatures, the atmospheric composition, or the general consensus from the scientists that drilled them in the first place. Instead deciding the thousands of people who study the climate for a lifetime are in secret negotiations with governments worldwide to fool us all in an attempt to spend money on a fabricated issue (and make a couple bucks themselves), allowing the corruption of industry and the domination of.....uh....well something yet to be explained.

Seems like a lot of trouble for everyone involved, especially duping NOAA and NASA.....and making sure no one spills the beans:

 

I see you are the type of denialist that denies that any science which casts doubt on the AGW cult. Yet I am sure you believe the climatologists who trued to wipe any mention of those little climate fluctuations like the MWP, RWP, LIA, CWP. Do you think longer colder winters and cooler summers is a definite indication of global warming also ?

Warmists defiled the name of science with their political cult