Climate deniers don't deny climate change any more

Confirmed, as demonstrated in the link I posted.

 

That's not true.

 

What? Jack tell a fib? No way.

 

You are free to cite evidence to the contrary.

 

The fly rarely has a good word for the swatter.

 

Rock-swatter-scissors --- Scissors bests swatter.

 

And you are free to cite evidence for me to refute.

 

Gosh, who could have predicted that your post would become the poster child for the denial of science......

 

It was all in the link, and has been presented here.

 

More alarmist fakery.
BBC’s Failed ‘Fact Check’ of Daily Sceptic Report on Arctic Sea Ice
by Chris Morrison
Cynics might note that taking out the higher totals of 40 years ago and replacing them with the lower recent figures would produce – more or less – an above…

 

Sorry can you not interrupt when the adults are talking. Go and play.

 

Then show me where.
So far you have studiously avoided showing the actual words.

Strange behaviour for a would be scientist

 

The fakery is your article which is cherry-picking a small time frame. Since early January, the sea ice extent is back on a downward projection. The overall trend is clear (see attached graph). You could probably look through WUWT archives and see similar misleading articles for every temporary uptick on the following graph. This is an example why WUWT fails all objective FACT CHECK criteria.

 

Which you answer by... cherry picking from a small time frame.



But the ice caps have been shrinking in size for over 12,000 years. Otherwise, most of Canada would still be under a mile thick layer of ice, and the area around the upper US midwest would still be tundra and permafrost.

 

Fastest rate is now.

https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/how...-how-does-compare-past-periods-earths-history

Over the last 40 years, annual Arctic sea ice measurements show ice shrinking by 12.6 percent each decade, a pace of decline that’s unmatched by any point in at least the last 1,500 years....

“The Arctic has changed a lot over long timescales,” says Meneghello. “It doesn’t mean that the the most recent changes are good for us.”

 

Try researching "albedo". Because here is a simple fact, melting always accelerates over time. What, do you think it would actually slow down? And I can predict right now, that the rate of melting will in the next centuries accelerate even more. This is simply how melting works.

 

I have posted the entire article. Please see #408 and #413.

 

Actually, it's the alarmists doing the cherry-picking.
". . . If you ‘cherry pick’ the date 1979, probably the high point for Arctic sea ice for almost a century, and draw a line to the present day, the cyclical trend is undoubtedly down. There was more ice around at the high point in 1979 than there is now, nobody disputes that. If you are just after a simple political message of climate collapse to promote the Net Zero fantasy, further examination of the data will be unwelcome. But a more detailed review of the statistics gives a more realistic interpretation. According to recent work published by the Arctic scientist Allan Astrup Jensen, the summer ice plateaued from 1979-97, fell for 10 years and then resumed a minimal downward trend from 2007. Jensen observes that either side of the 10 year fall after 1997, there have been minimal losses.

In fact using a four-year moving average, the trend has been slightly upwards over the last few years. The graph below is compiled by the investigative science writer Tony Heller and shows the recent stability of Arctic summer sea ice around the minimum recorded every September. A slight recovery from about 2012 can be clearly seen.


As we can see, More or Less has produced little more than a narrative-driven attempt to keep the Arctic sea ice poster scare going for as long as possible. Since the drop in the early part of the century, alarmists have been forecasting ice free summers in the Arctic in the near future. Sir David Attenborough told BBC viewers in 2022 that the Arctic could be ice free by 2035. Professor Stroeve claims to have briefed former U.S. Vice President Al Gore, a man who has never lived down reporting that the ice could all be gone by 2014. In fact what has clearly been happening is noted by Tony Heller. They bury the old data going back to the 1950s, “and pretend they don’t notice sea ice is increasing again”. Nevertheless activists are starting to learn lessons about putting short timelines on their fanciful forecasts. For her part, Stroeve suggests ice free summers in the Arctic by the next 50 years. . . . "

 

Alarmists lie; skeptics call them on that.

Stop Fearmongering, The Hill, Climate Change Is Not Harming Homeowners
CLEANER AIR APRIL 2, 2024
A recent article from The Hill, titled “Homeowners in these U.S. cities face the greatest threat from climate change,” cites a new report from the First Street Foundation claiming homeowners in certain cities face large and increasing climate risk—claiming that more than 44.8 percent of homes face “climate” risk. This story is misleading. What they are actually reporting is weather risk, not risk related to climate change, because none of weather conditions discussed in the report are getting worse. Each of the cities discussed have been threatened by the types of extreme weather events cited in the story throughout their histories.

It is important to note that the First Street Foundation is the source of this report. That organization is a climate alarmist group that has been a wellspring of false reports that Climate Realism has repeatedly refuted previously, here, here, and here, for example. Based on the organization’s history of publishing blatantly misleading reports, The Hill should have known better than to uncritically parrot the false claims made in this First Street Foundation report.

The same errors from those previous claims are made here again in this Hill post.

The Hill reports that a recent “Realtor.com Housing and Climate Risk Report found that more than 44.8% of the country’s homes face at least one kind of “severe or extreme climate risk” from either flood, wind, wildfire, heat or air quality.”

The First Street Foundation data used were forecasts about the likelihood of given weather disasters striking selected cities over the next 30 years.

More than twenty cities are listed in the article. For the sake of brevity only a few have been selected for debunking here. . . .

 

An adult who goes by a childs cartoon character... I swear this is better than HBO...

 

Well.. how to respond... Once upon a time, the ice melted so fast that within a few short decades, the world's oceans rose about 400 Feet. Did you know that? This happened around the time of the Younger Dryess. Facts that directly challenge the presumptuous narrative of the MIT analysis. Obviously, they didn't take that period of time into their analysis, because had they, the relatively minor events of today would pale in comparison. Do some actual research and don't let the google fingers do the walking for you.

 

You can't show me can you. You are hoping to create enough distance between your first claim and now.

 

Yes we all new that. Do you know why it happened? That's the bit that matters.

 

You are fully in the wrong here. The cited posts answered your questions in full.

 

I think 1500 years makes sense for an analysis. We have written historical records for that time. If a scientist starts going back tens of thousands of years, or millions of years, an analysis can still be done, but it is much more suspect for accuracy. For example, do we know what wasn't some huge volcano or tetonic shift that created large land masses and continents. Here in Colorado, there is this amazing area called the Florissant fossil beds. There are trunks of redwood trees there 10-15 feet in diameter. And today, it's very arid. There's a video at this link.

https://www.nps.gov/flfo/index.htm

The geology, fossils, and human stories of Florissant Fossil Beds National Monument are part of a common geologic heritage. The layers of rock beneath this valley contain one of the richest fossil deposits in the world. They hold clues of unexpected environments and life that existed here during a time called the late Eocene.