Climate deniers don't deny climate change any more

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Don't have to. They puncture your nonscience just fine delivered by hand.
     
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    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't it ever bother you that you don't contribute anything but self-evidently false, tedious, repetitive, and uninformative tripe?
     
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    Just more repetitive bluff and guff from a non scientist with no knowledge of science and scientific methodology.
     
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    The final year of YOUR OWN CHART showed a decline in temperature.
    No, it is not consistent in the least. It varies quite substantially. Anyone can confirm that by just inspecting the graph.
     
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    FYI, no, it doesn't.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is a reason that NASA shows that solid black line which represents averages. Why - because it filters out noise and - are you ready for this - it represents averages.
     
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    Even Blind Freddy can see the consistent upward trend, and that the variations are just normal variations found in all scientific data, and why statistical analysis is required to draw conclusions from scientific data.
     
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    IOW you know absolutely nothing at all about climatology and the effects on glaciers and icecaps.

    What is your evidence to support your claim that glaciers and the icecaps on Greenland and the Antarctic Peninsula are not melting and receding because of recent increases in temperatures within my lifetime?
     
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    This is one of those that exacerbates itself. As ice and snow melts, it turns from white in color to black in color. This absorbs more sunlight, further heating the water, and causing more of the coastlines to melt away. This process is known as amplification. Arctic amplifications also occur with melting permafrost, which releases methane, a much more concentrated Greenhouse Gas.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00354-4

    Methane, for instance, traps around 120 times as much heat as CO2 does moment to moment.

    https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/what-makes-methane-more-potent-greenhouse-gas-carbon-dioxide
     
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    But alas Denial River doesn't know that more and more CH4 is being released from the melting of the permafrost and not just from belching cows and farting climate change denialists.
     
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    Youre demonstrating the complete irrelevance of your question.

    You will need to read it. You didnt read it the first time I posted it. Im not posting it again to not read.
     
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    Nobody disputes that CO2 and temperatures have increased. You slayed that strawman mightily. We are impressed. You can let it go now.
     
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    And 4 more degrees will make them disappear like they did following the last ice age.
     
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    Really? Read back on this thread. Despite the overwhelming evidence, plenty have been disputing this.
     
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    So why did you refer to "the daily cycle of temperatures" in #1378 if it is irrelevant?
    IOW you know nothing at all about the causes of "the natural cycles of temperatures of ice ages".
     
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    So what's causing the recent temperature rise within my lifetime?
     
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    Most likely Milankovitch cycles and changes in the composition of the atmosphere, but as the first sentence of the copy and paste of the wikipedia article you didnt read says, "The causes of ice ages are not fully understood..."
     
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    Another example of natural cycles other than ice ages, that effect the temperature of the earth and continue today and will continue, with or without mans burning of fossil fuels. The cycle of ice ages, summer and winter and day and night will continue even if we eliminate all burning of fossil fuels. This belief that the cycle of ice ages will stop, if we stop burning fossil fuels, is as foolish as believing the cycles of summer and winter or day and night will stop.
     
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    IOW the recent increases in global temperatures during my lifetime were caused by increases in atmospheric CO2 from human activity.
     
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    Milankovitch cycles, changes in the suns output, deforestation, urbanization and changes in the composition of the earths atmosphere.
     
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    And none of that is relevant to the recent increases in global temperatures from increased atmospheric CO2 in my lifetime as shown by the strong correlation between global temperatures and atmospheric CO2.
     
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    Reductions in particulate matter, output of the sun, deforestation and urbanization likely have much more of an effect on temperature than CO2. Soooooo NO, not IOW.
     
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    Actually the significant rise in CO2 and the minimal increase in temperature demonstrates thats likely not the case.
     
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    IOW the recent increases in global temperatures within my lifetime are caused by human activity.
    But what evidence do you have to support your claim that changes in solar activity has caused increases in global temperatures during my lifetime?
     
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    IOW increases in CO2 from human activity have caused the recent increases in global temperatures during my lifetime.
     

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