Closing down the border.......or just do this.

Trump has been threatening to close down the border with Mexico is the immigrant problem can't get under control. This is causing all kinds of teeth mashing and hand wringing.

So instead of closing down the physical border which hampers shipments. Would closing down money transfer to Mexico or anywhere south of the border make a difference?

https://www.finder.com/inflows-outflows-money-mexico

I mean, according to this report loosing 30 billion could drive some movement.

 

Not a bad idea!

 

Why can't we do both?

 

Probably could, but I think shutting down the export of money from here to there would hurt Mexico and all points south more and us less. A physical shutdown would hurt, but it would hurt everyone.

 

Not really, they would just carry the money to Mexico then come back, can't do that if the border isn't open.

 

I think we could allow commercial entry of goods, but shut down all personal traffic and raise the consequences of illegal crossing. Some of this of course requires a congress working for the good of the nation, which unfortunately is nowhere to be found at this time. One legal step would be to alter the rules so that ANY illegal entry immediately bars the person from all other rights of benefits. All that would apply would be the need to testify to the nature of entry, and deportation would be automatic. No anchor baby citizenship, no application for asylum when you come in that way- you simply don't get to steal US rights or benefits . You knock on the door and follow the procedures- or you get nothing. Nada. Zip.

And now- we have a mob of 20,000 immigrants coming to Tijuana, planning to rush the border enmasse- use large enough numbers that controlling them becomes impossible.
It takes a pretty stupid person, and one with no respect for their own country, to deny that this is an invasion or say it's harmless. This group formed up in Honduras- a nation currently sporting the highest murder rates and gang saturation anywhere. The gang competition there is really tough; we offer by comparison- easy pickings, gullible and stupid people. Like a buffet of fools.... thanks to the democrats that would rather sabotage America than allow Trump to win a point on anything.

A couple of weeks ago, CNN reporter Jim Acosta lectured President Trump on the migrant caravan arriving at the U.S.- Mexico border and insisted that the caravan is “not an invasion.”
But, recent reports over the weekend make a strong case for an “invasion.” Border Patrol agents were forced to shut down the San Ysidro port of entry and use tear gas on violent migrants on Sunday.
Now, the Gateway Pundit reports the migrants say they’re planning to wait until an expected 20,000 arrive in Tijuana and then enter the United States illegally en masse.
Several of the migrants told the Epoch Times that they plan to enter illegally and are unlikely to apply for asylum.
One called it “a waste of time” saying the asylum process takes too long and “I’m in a hurry.”

 

Shutting down the border would hurt us, period.

Beside he has walked it back already.

 

Cutting off a leg with gas gangrene hurts you too. Not because that's not bad- but because the alternatives are worse.
The solution is CONTROLLING the border and the migratory process. If congress keeps it's asshat on and won't allow that or deal with the problem, then shutting down is the necessary step.
Trashing the US stability in order to avoid agreeing with the president makes those people absolutely unfit for any power of any kind. Even worse.

 

Requires Congress and dems will not address this.

 

Government solves all problems for the right wing. Why allege to be for Capitalism.

 

Yes, the Dems and the Pubs need to agree on and then enforce a sensible policy.

Don't use Trump's name and "absolutely unfit for any power" as mutually exclusive ideas.

 

Same difference. Stop the money and the trade stops.

 

Ask Western Union if they are OK with that loss.

More to the point why would we only ban money wired to Mexico? Or the other 3 Mexican countries...

After all, we could argue that any wire transfer of money out is bad regardless of the destination. What about Russian hackers? Could they be funded by wire transfers? ISIS? African warlords? The list goes on and on.

 

Edit: never mind. Misread

 

You are discounting the economic value those people bring to the US. They do work that is valued, less than Americans are willing to do the work for, that puts food on our tables at a low cost. If you find Americans to take their places after they can no longer support families back home, you will then either miss out on many agricultural and manufactured products that you take for granted or you will pay more for them. If they cost more, people will buy less of them which will impact non-immigrant labor as sales decline and stores lay people off. So it's really an impact regardless.

 

If the money went directly to those governments ... but it doesn't. It goes to families which provides them with the food and shelter to STAY in their countries. Without those payments, these poor people would have even MORE incentive to head north.

So how does it help if you cut off the money and force MORE people to head north over the border to make a living? Sort of a self-defeating move - as is closing the border.

 

Again - no thought to unintended consequences on your part.

What happens when the border gets shut down. Trade stops and the Mexican economy takes a big hit. What happens when the Mexican economy takes a big hit? Average Mexicans get laid off from their jobs. What happens when unemployment in Mexico climbs? Mexicans are forced to head north over the border to get work.

Same goes for cutting off money transfers to southern countries. The money sent south helps keep families down south.

 

So, your solution is that there is no solution, and we should just chill our and let them do whatever they want?

That's the democratic way these days, anything that Trump supports, they hate, any thing he hates, they applaud. No wonder the nation is in such a mess.

The border could be left open to commercial traffic,( trucking of goods) and shut down to personal traffic. But that's logical, so the congress would object.....

 

Well starving potential BROWN HORDES of democrat voting invaders is OBVIOUSLY a noble cause....

 

But you forget, he's white which automatically makes him smarter than other races and right on every topic. White first, no thought needed for that. Gawd yer dumb, why are you such a 'murica hater?

 

Perhaps all peaceful solutions have been exhausted. Perhaps the only applicable course of action left is for the president of the united states to authorize the use of lethal force against anyone and everyone attempting to illegally cross into the country, as this is indeed an invasion.

 

Yep you said it. Your agenda is driving down American wage rates.

 

No, I said that the work many immigrants do is work most Americans won't do at the wages being offered by employers. That's their agenda, not mine. Take it up with them if you are so bold and smart. I got your back.

The better solution is to pay what those jobs demand in the labor market, except that doesn't happen in the US because corporations have destroyed the free market.

 

Wrong on every point. Nothing has been done on immigration much since Reagan. And no, lethal force against what isn't even a felony is stupid, unless you are OK with having your brains blown out over a speeding ticket in which case I would say get in your car and hurry to your next destination, please.

 

There is no immigration clause; that must mean we have to resort to welfare clause General and our Commerce Clause to resolve this dilemma.