OK, here's my new conspiracy theory. Bright student, James Holmes starts his Ph.D. studies in Neuro-Science at the University of Colorado's Aurora campus but Holmes's arrogant, know-it-all attitude annoys someone he works with, perhaps one of the university staff who is a professor or a lecturer or a fellow student who has access to anti-psychotic drugs used to "treat" mental patients. This hypothetical person who has taken a severe dislike to Holmes I will refer to as "Holmes's secret enemy" or HSE. In an evil, secret lone-wolf science experiment, HSE targets Holmes to poison him with anti-psychotic drugs to see what happens and for the wicked pleasure of doing evil to a perceived enemy. So one day, HSE slips some anti-psychotic pills into Holmes's coffee. "Here you James, it's with sugar, I hope that's OK?" Holmes barely looking up from his text books says, "Yeh, thanks" and drinks the poisoned coffee. The effect of the anti-psychotic drugs is to make Holmes apathetic, the next week or so he sleeps in, he doesn't turn up for work at the university, and administrators expel him from university. Holmes drops out. Then slowly over a number of weeks, the anti-psychotics wear off and for a brief time Holmes returns to his normal self but then quickly the effect of the withdrawal symptoms from the anti-psychotic drugs kicks in, which is the opposite effect to that when initially taking anti-psychotics - the effect of withdrawal from these anti-psychotic drugs is to induce a psychotic breakdown which Holmes has. As a result of the withdrawal from the poisoning, the psychotic Holmes, plans his lone-wolf shooting massacre. Deep in his subconscious, as a final plea for help, Holmes writes to his former University professor, a psychiatrist who Holmes still trusts, perhaps naively for all we know, because the psychiatrist professor Holmes writes to could be none other than "HSE" the person who poisoned Holmes and caused his psychosis? Perhaps not. This is only a theory. Holmes writes to the psychiatrist professor but gets no reply so he reverts to his plan and goes through with the Aurora Theater attack. This conspiracy theory is hard to prove or disprove but it looks like my conspiracy theory fits the facts. Whether or not this theory is true, it certainly is true that these anti-psychotic drugs are very dangerous, as dangerous as firearms in their own way.
No. If there is a conspiracy like I have conceived, it will most likely be a tiny conspiracy perhaps known only to one personal enemy of Holmes, identity unknown, but for naming purposes I have codenamed the hypothetical conspirator "HSE". Perhaps others at the University are involved in the conspiracy but not I think Bush because he doesn't work in psychiatry at the University of Colorado, Aurora campus. It is possible that there is some kind of secret research going on into the use of anti-psychotics as a military chemical weapon of social disintegration, to be used by some kind of black-ops organisation. That's the grand conspiracy version of the theory though. I am happier with the lone-wolf conspirator - one person who is acting from personal malice against Holmes. Anyway, what part of didn't you understand?
I don't believe for one moment that this idiot was: * purposely poisoned with anti-psychotic drugs * coerced or influence by others to commit the shootings or * that there was any sort of conspiracy going on in Aurora, other than James Holme's conspiring, solo, to commit a grand act of violence. That said, it was CLEAR to me that he was heavily under the influence of some sort of sedative at his arraignment last week. The signs and symptoms of intoxication were unmistakable. Here is what I believe, and I say this because I recall hearing that morning that 'the arraignment will be delayed this morning because the defendant is being uncooperative'; Somebody in the court authorized the administration of a sedative of some sort, in order to make James Holmes calm down and cooperate with the proceedings. Make sense? Any arguments?
James Holmes To Face Death Penalty... James Holmes' Victims Applaud Death Penalty Plan: 'I Want Him Dead' April 1, 2013 - Friends of Aurora shooting victims applauded prosecutors' decision today to seek the death penalty for James Holmes, with one friend saying he wanted to be in the room if Holmes is executed.
Well apparently he was a bright student, so no "idiot" at one time but what made him act like an idiot? Drugs, under the influence or under withdrawal symptoms is my guess. I heard on the news tonight that he had been hospitalised before the attack. And hospitals never feel like they have done anything until they drug their patient with something. Or maybe he was suffering from drug overdose and that is why he was hospitalised? Well suppose we don't call it "poisoning" for the sake of argument. Suppose we call it "prescribing"? Supposing his original sin was being foolish enough to agree to take prescribed anti-psychotic drugs? Then after that, the anti-psychotic drugs turned him into an idiot and then when the withdrawal symptoms kicked in, the same anti-psychotic drugs turned him into a psychopath? What we know is that drugs companies carelessly push dangerous anti-psychotic drugs because they make a profit out of selling them. Agreed? Clearly the expected withdrawal symptoms of anti-psychotics are psychosis and so violent psychotic attacks under withdrawal must be expected and which attacks, they, the drug companies don't plan per se but when such attacks happen the drugs companies hope to spin the news management in such a way as to drive home to the state, medical profession etc the requirement to keep people on the drugs forever once on them and never suffer withdrawal symptoms, because that keeps the sales coming in? Can't it just be that Holmes had his brain poisoned with anti-psychotics either against his will and / or knowledge and only the evil person who slipped the drugs in his coffee or forcibly injected him is responsible? or can't it be that someone openly and honestly prescribed anti-psychotics to Holmes and he foolishly took them, because maybe there was a financial incentive to test out new drugs or it was part of an experiment or drugs trial his neuroscience department was carrying out and it all went horribly wrong? If so it would not be the first new drug trial which has gone horribly wrong, I can assure you. Agreed, though since you seem to have been "banned" I am not sure if you will ever read of my agreement with you on that point or disagreement on others. Why was this guy banned? He seems reasonable enough. Yes yes yes but that's not the issue. The argument and the issue is whether drugs were the causative effect that drove this guy psycho and are drug company lawyers once again keeping the facts out of the public discourse?
Just to make it absolutely.clear - I am talking about the drugs that Holmes may have taken before the attack, drugs that drove him psycho before the attack, drugs that were the primary agent that drove an ordinary student psycho. This topic is not meant to be about what drugs Holmes may or may not have taken after his arrest or before his court appearances. Just forget that here! That's irrelevant as to what made him psycho enough to commit this mass murder. Whereas the drugs he took before the attack and are being pushed by drugs companies may be the reason behind many of these psychotic attacks we are witnessing.
Sure, He was given one dose of Anti-pychotic meds which made him purchase body armour and several guns over a period of weeks and months, carefully plan out the attack, go to a place where goin in in costume would not be seen as too out of place, and boobytrap his apartment. Sheesh. But hey at least you don't have to look at more uncomfortable causes, like him simply doing it because he wanted to go out doing something fun. And it takes more than one single dose of anti-[psychotics or indeed any drug to cause withdrawal symptoms. Plus one dose would not affect him for a week as pretty much all anti-psychotics are taken daily.
Well maybe it was 10 doses given at one time, maliciously or incompetently. Or one dose of a new drug that is 10 times stronger than normal anti-psychotics and the experiment was to find out how much of the drug causes what effect, to work out dosing recommendations to inform psychiatrists how much to prescribe? People buy guns and armour because they can. They don't always plan to commit an outrage at the point of purchase. I think it is a mistake to assume he planned this all along from first purchase of a gun. Most often in these shootings people have the guns and when a psychotic attack happens it's simply the weapon of choice to hand. But why would he want to "go out" (by which I presume you mean commit suicide) a young man with everything to live for? He could have got laid next week. That's worth staying alive for, right single guys? It could be anti-psychotics or some other new kind of drug made him suicidal. Not necessarily as I explained earlier. It could have been a super-sized dose in some way. This is not the first time I have heard that falsehood on the internet. Drugs vary in their duration of action and some indeed last weeks not days and there is a demand for "care in the community" anti-psychotics from the state which wants a longer lasting injection to pacify someone with say political views or something.
Or maybe it was one of the psychotically good apple pies made by my great aunt. So you have been pedaling this bull(*)(*)(*)(*) on other sites? Woohoo its noce that other people think you are a moron too. So in your world the guy went over and got injected up the ass by some evil government conspiracy without him noticing. Yes WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DEPOT INJECTIONS, which releases the drug slowly over some weeks, Anti psychotic meds need to be taken daily. Also lets look at what some experts actually say about it shall we? http://www.sane.org/information/factsheets-podcasts/201-anti-psychotic-medication So itr would take more than pone blast of them to change his brain chemistry As for the homicidal side effects you desperately want So, rather than getting all depressed for a week, he would pave turned into an impotent twitchy guy who tucked into multiple deserts. The horror. Go ask the guys who perpetrate thre multiple shootings that happen across the US every single day. Some ecamples from the last week or so That's a lot of guys that you are saying got injected up the ass with anti-psychotics. And that's not even the complete list at my disposal. I didn't give you the links because why bother. Face it, you don't know anything about anti-psychotic meds, and are trying to make some point or other without a clue.
In fact, you want statistics? Are all these people on your one dose of anti-psychotics? Why do they all do that? You tell me, I don't own a gun.
You have English language comprehension problems. Check a dictionary for the meaning of "psychotic" and consider if you've done what it says after eating apple pie. Strange that you waste your time debating with someone you consider to be a "moron". Who said anything about "government"? A single doctor or psychiatrist can prescribe anti-psychotics. If a university department is doing trials on a new anti-psychotic they'll have them in a departmental cupboard where they keep the aspirin and any student can get a hold of them. And who said he was injected? Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. I never suggested he wouldn't notice an injection (unless he was sedated at the time) The scenario I mentioned where he didn't notice was someone slipping the drugs into his coffee. Remember again that he was a student at a neuroscience department which could be involved with the trialing of new longer acting drugs. Or with a massive overdose, it takes longer for the drug to clear completely since the liver gets overloaded. You sober up quicker after drinking a pint of beer than you after drinking 10 pints. Yes let's look at what the "experts" (at pulling the wool over your eyes) say - http://www.sane.org/information/about-sane/partners Australian Universities SANE Australia conducts research to help people seriously affected by mental illness, in partnership with a range of Australian universities. - Institutions which get funded by drugs companies, making profits out of anti-psychotics Consumer and Carer Groups SANE Australia regularly consults and works with relevant consumer and carer groups, including ARAFMI, Carers' Association, the National Mental Health Consumer Network and Schizophrenia Fellowships. - victims groups too dumb to know they've been abused by anti-psychotics Health Promotion Agencies SANE Australia works cooperatively with agencies in related health promotion areas, such as QUIT and the Australian Drug Foundation. QUIT, what quit smoking, but not quit anti-psychotics? Australian Drug Foundation - that sounds like a front for drugs companies if ever there was one. National Peak Bodies SANE Australia is an active member of relevant national peak bodies, such as the Mental Health Council of Australia and ACOSS. - state organisations which use pyschiatry as a method of state control Philanthropic Trusts A range of Philanthropic trusts support SANE Australia's work in action, research and the development of information resources for people seriously affected by mental illness. Last modified: November 2012 - rich fools Australian Governments SANE Australia's expertise in research is called on for projects commissioned by Federal and State Health Departments. - right. They want ever republican who threatens republican revolution against their Queen to be drugged into a stupor of a drooling idiot tied to bed in a psychiatric ward. Corporate Sector SANE Australia works with partners in the corporate sector to promote community understanding of mental illness and its treatment. - speaks for itself. Big pharmaceutical companies. International Alliances SANE Australia works in cooperation with overseas and international organisations which have similar aims. - Drugs companies sell world-wide and have similar fingers in similar pies around the world Professional Groups RANZCP (Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists), RACGP (Royal Australian College of General Practice) and Pharmacy Guild of Australia are among professional groups with which SANE Australia consults and works. - they make a living out of exterminating the state's political enemies under disguise as "medical care". Rubbish. It depends on the drug. One blast of cyanide changes your brain chemistry permanently. No you are confusing the immediate effects of the drug, with the effects of withdrawal, which tend to be the opposite of the immediate effects. The main effect of anti-psychotics is apathy and a disinterest. The withdrawal symptoms are psychotic obsessions. No. That's different. Most gun crime is because the Americans are too dumb to pay decent social welfare and leave many poor, jobless people without a home and hope but access to firearms so some of the dumber, badder ones turn to robbery to get by. They plan their crimes to get money with a rational hope of getting away with it. Financially motivated crime, whether by a poor armed robbery or by rich Bernie Madoff's and his ponzi scheme is not psychotic in nature.
But I provided as much evidence that they ate my great aunt's apple pie as you did for your silly drug theory You think this is a debate? Only one side is providing evidence, the other side is making increasingly ludicrous hypothetical suggestions. See above. In real life, all these drugs are locked away and inventoried. If someone broke in and swiped a vial it would be discovered pretty quickly. ) But you brought up the long lasting medication. That's only given by injection as its designed for slow release in the bloodstream. Oral medications pass through the digestive tract too quickly, which is why they are taken DAILY. Which is bloody ludicrous. So? I like the evidence you have presented proving that assertion. In reality, it takes 24-36 hours to completly void alchohol no matter how much you ingest. Who cares? I could have pulled the same thing from any international organization. the point is that they have credentials and you are just some joker on the internet making bald assertions with no backup. Ok so you are now saying that the guy took a big enough dose that he was brain damaged. That must have been one hell of a cuup of coffee. Says you. The entire world disagrees with you, and points out that it takes WEEKS for the effects of anti-psychotic drugs to manifest. I'm sure your internet qualifications impress you though. Oh great, Now this guy is a sociologist as well as the biggest expert on medication and body chemistry on the planet. You know, why am I wasting my time with a moron. Cya. Enjoy the next forum you start blathering your nonsense at.
No you didn't. There's only evidence for apple pies being used to treat hunger or maybe greed, never psychosis. A conspiracy theory is by definition a hypothetical suggestion. I suggest that your "psychosis inducing apple pie" theory is much more ludicrous. If there's a big tub of 1000 tablets, 1000 doses, then who will miss 10 tablets? Now you are getting the idea. I ought to mention that poisoning via a single ingestion is a common threat. Take too many paracetamol at once and you can destroy your liver which can be fatal. So if you can't figure out that if new longer lasting effect drugs, perhaps with longer-lasting side effects too, were being trialed at his work-place then Holmes could have been poisoned with those longer-lasting drugs then you have logical comprehension problems. It's not ludicrous. If you google wife poisoned husband (without quotes) you get 27 million hits. It happens a lot. No the different amount of alcohol in a teaspoonful of beer, 1 pint or 10 pints will take varying times to be eliminated from the body. Oh I have back up. Brain Damage Caused by Neuroleptic Psychiatric Drugs In the past two decades, countless medical studies have shown that use of neuroleptic psychiatric drugs (also known as antipsychotics) is associated with structural brain changes, especially when taking high dosages for a long time. These brain changes can include actual shrinkage of the higher level parts of the brain. The shrinkage can be seen in brain scans and autopsy studies. In response to industry defenders who claim that this shrinkage is from the "mental illness," studies show neuroleptics lead to similar brain changes in animals. While the medical side of large libraries has this information, the public media side of the library does not. In other words, the public, patients and their families are not being informed about what medicine has long known. There's stacks of evidence against those drugs but the reason why none of this matters is that society is being ripped off by a corrupt relationship between the drugs industry. psychiatry, for money and jobs, and the state which finds it convenient to have other tools than locking inconvenient people away where even after 27 years in prison someone can come out and cause a revolution like Nelson Mandela did. The powers that be don't want to create any more Nelson Mandelas - so they use these anti-psychotics drugs to turn political leaders into drooling idiots which are no threat to the status quo ever - they are a tool of political control, which in my opinion is evil. [video=youtube;6qs9TLTvYFs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qs9TLTvYFs[/video] [video=youtube;hqaptRYjhq4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqaptRYjhq4[/video]
Being bright in school does not mean a person is not moonbat crazy, I have known more than one person that was very smart in certain ways and crazy as they come in others, no drugs required. He is currently on moode altering drugs to keep him normal enough to stand trial, I am against this practice, if someone is mentally ill leave them as they are for the trial, the jury has a right to see how the person acts without being incluenced, how else can they judge the persons sanity for themselves. In this particualr case there is no question that he did the killing, the only thing to descide is whether to look him in a padded room forever, no realease for any reason, or be put to death, there should be no other options available.
In certain countries, the two always go together - being bright and being considered "crazy". Australia has already been mentioned and where I stay, Scotland, or the UK, is another. If you are bright you support electing a president and overthrowing the monarchy, but republicans are deemed "crazy" by the kingdom and are always under threat of being sectioned. The only way to keep your freedom in such kingdoms is to smile and be polite to the half-witted royalists who run the place otherwise the police will be called, lawyers employed to prosecute you or get court orders to ban you from making a difference and if you persist in making a difference you can be jailed or sectioned. Casper, your profile doesn't say where you stay - a kingdom or a republic - so I can't take a guess at why you have "known more than one person that was very smart in certain ways and crazy as they come in others, no drugs required". Also on the internet, you often read trolls calling someone "crazy" who is simply brighter than they are. I think to trolls it is more pleasing to their ego to call someone smarter than they are, saying something they are too dumb to understand "crazy" than take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror and own up to being a fool which might bruise their fragile egos.
