Coming out: anti-gay harder than gay?

Look, having to read this over and over has goaded me into a response of kinds. Suspicious of the wrong people indeed. The majority of sex crimes against children are committed within the family, more often than not by the heterosexual fathers of the children being abused. And that's before we begin to look the almost total predominence straight men have in murdering their ex-partners and their children - - and they worry about gays and lesbians ? C'mon, something doesn't add up here.

 

Except you want to use all the powers of government to massively punish those you hold in contempt. Many on the left truly hate free speech and freedom in general, or so it seems.

 

Laws are not my god. I gather you would turn in runaway slaves because it is the law, and I would not. So which of us believes in freedom and which of us believes in government?

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Two ordained ministers have filed a federal lawsuit and are seeking a restraining order to prevent local officials from forcing them to marry same-sex couples, saying they have been threatened with fines and possible jail time over their refusal.

Donald and Evelyn Knapp, owners of Hitching Post Wedding Chapel in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, are being represented by the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative legal firm, claiming that city officials told them that they are required to conduct gay marriages under a nondiscrimination ordinance.

If they do not, the Knapps say, that they could “face months in jail and/or thousands of dollars in fines,” according to a press release from Alliance Defending Freedom. The firm said the couple could face up to 180 days in jail or $1,000 in fines for each day they refuse.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ly-being-threatened-with-fines-and-jail-time/

This is NOT about using the facility, this is about forcing them to say the words of a same-sex marriage ceremony, noting that a marriage ceremony doesn't make a couple married, only signing the license does. In short, this was specifically and singularly about hiring someone to give a pro-SSM speech who does not do pro-SSM speeches.

 

The Hitching Post was a for-profit Wedding chapel that had previously served couples from all denominations, as well as secular couples. Under that guise, they would've been subject to the non-dsicrimation ordinance. Once SSM became legal, they changed their business to be a purely religious one, only serving Christians in a purely religious ceremony. Once they did that, they became exempt from the ordinance. Problem solved.

 

That's the left's answer to everything, get rid of the opposition. Fat chance.

 

You aren't really opposing anything. You are complaining about my posting. It made you bored. Apparently that's a lie because you keep coming back to be bored more.

 

So you led with an insult, then indicated it ment you were bored and wanted to poster to "go away" now you are pulling the victim card because someone told you to go away... Integrity, you have none.

Gays don't have to get rid of any opposition - y'alls own hate and irrelevancy is causing people to distance from your kind at an ever increasing rate. People who support your beliefs will be in the teens within the next decade, still whining about all the damage done to you by gays being allowed to exist.

The things y'all say does more to benefit gay rights than any pro-gay person could ever accomplish.

Bigots should be shunned at every level of society and society is doing a mighty fine job.

 

So you believe each person should decide which law to follow- and which law not to follow? Well of course that is always the case- but if you- or I - choose to break the law- that you- or I- have to be willing to suffer the legal consequences for breaking the law.

Christians don't get special exemptions from obeying the law.

 

No one ever forced them- or threatened to force them to provide any marriage ceremony to anyone.

That case was brought about specifically, and singularly, by a far right advocacy legal group to force a confrontation with the City government- who refused to bite. The city never tried to- and never did- force this couple to perform any marriage to anyone that they did not want to.

Bottom line, depending on how they've licensed their business, they likely would be exempt from the ordinance, but that hasn't stopped the maniacal anti-gay religious right who have hitched their wagons to the Hitching Post's story and are profiting from it -- because that's just what they do.

The Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) is a right-wing Christian law firm created by the same folks who brought you anti-gay groups like the American Family Association, the Family Research Council, Focus on the Family, Campus Crusade for Christ, and Coral Ridge Ministries, among others. It's headed by the guy who made his name investigating pornography during the Reagan years, under Attorney General Edwin Meese.

The ADF claims an 80 percent winning record, although it has lost many high-profile cases, including Bostic v. Rainey, which brought same-sex marriage to Virginia, Bishop v. Oklahoma, which did the same for Oklahoma, the Elane Photography case, which found that photographers cannot refuse to do business with same-sex couples, and most infamously, Perry v. Schwarzenegger, which ultimately brought same-sex marriage to California

"We have never threatened to jail them, or take legal action of any kind," said city spokesman Keith Erickson.