Constitution gives president license to kill

Don't you believe in the first amendment? People have the right to criticize the government if they so choose. To suggest that people who do not approve of how the government conducts itself to move out of the country goes against the grain of the constitution.

 

That is nothing in comparison to El Saud. Al Qaeda are proxies of El Saud in Yemen. Hamas and Hezbollah are not international terrorists like ISIS/ Al Qaeda.

ISIS/Al Qaeda were largely responsible for the killing of over 500,000 in Syria - complete with rape and murder and persecution of Christians on a regular basis .. and other marginalized religious groups. Hamas does not do this kind of stuff - its not even comparable by any stretch of the rational imagination.

Taliban, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, various nut job groups in Pakistan and India (the Mumbai bombings) and the nut jobs who do the attacks in Europe. These are all the Saudi inspired wing nuts - not some Iranian ideology.

You have ISIS and Al Qaeda in Libya and various other african nations ....

This is not even close to Iran. Your comment shows that you are completely out of your depth.

 

War is war and the Sandinistas had there own death squads about.

 

ISIS is none one's proxy, Al Qaeda is not a SAud Proxy per se. And the Saudis have little or no control over them or their actions nor are the taliban though there is evidence of funding of Al Qeada by some Saudi citizens. Most of that days back to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. See Joe Wilson's War where in Al Qeada and the Taliban were a bit players in a much larger game.

 

Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion has little to do with the issue - and you are correct with respect to this affair - but you are talking 1979 - which has nothing to do with what I have been talking about.

Your talking nonsense - Making things up and pretending they are true because you have not researched the Issue and are trying to justify a false narrative. Al Qaeda and ISIS were not "bit players" in war in Syria - They "were" the rebel opposition - for the most part. Obama's "Moderate rebel lie" was just that - a lie - a propaganda narrative to cover up what was going on there. Just because we happened to be involved in facilitating the arming of these scum buckets - does not change the fact that it is arming terrorists - and of course this was a war by proxy.

If you want to compare the types of equipment given to Hamas/Hezbollah to what was given to Al Qaeda/ISIS in Syria - you will find that Iran is nothing by comparison with respect to supporting terrorism. If Iran was giving Hamas/Hezbollah the kind and amount of equipment and support that was given to Al Qaeda/ISIS - the fighting in Israel would be a completely different story. Much of the aid given by Iran is humanitarian and much of this is not done by the State - it is by individual groups - and they don't give them sophisticated missile technology.

 

Sorry I my research goes back further than yours. Osama is dead and with him most the Saudi connection to Al Qeada. ISIS is an Al Qeada Spin off. Yes Syria is a four or five sided affair depending on how you figure in Turkey, and that Sucks especially if you are the Kurds. The Sauds are funding anti some anti Assad groups, but that is because they are scared to death of the Iranians. They are doing real politick BS because they don't think they have any other damn choice. Note the Israelis find themselves in a similar position. So call it six sides if you like. Yes all sides would have been better off had Obama ignored the French and Brits and left Libya the Hell alone. To say nothing of Syria but the intelligence on Syria was never clear, especially early on, and by the time President dither decided to act it was as it had been with the Afghanistan surge somewhat earlier way to little and way to late.

 

The conflict in Afghanistan has no bearing on supporting Islamist terrorist cults over the last few decades. 911 had not happened and radical Islamist's were not the issue they are now - and it is a completely different situation. There is a difference between helping a nation fight off the Russians who are friggen invading - and funding a terrorist insurgency in a sovereign nation. For starters .. one is a violation of international law - the other is trying to uphold international law. Give me a break.

Saudi's are not scared to death of the Iranians and if they were why what does this have to do with Syria ?? . What exactly is El Saud scared of ? It is Saudi Arabia that is bombing the heck out of Yemen - arming and supporting Al Qaeda in that nation - doing a blockade which has caused a massive humanitarian crisis - and has been roundly condemned for war crimes due to civilians being killed in these bombings.

Funding "Some" anti Assad groups ? That they don't have a choice is complete nonsense. They had a choice not to violate international law - and not fund a Islamist extremists... they chose other wise - as did we - unfortunately.

The people who are scared to death are the people of Syria - especially the Christians and other religious groups that these "anti Assad groups (aka Al Qaeda and ISIS) like to target. Why are you bringing up the Kurds as they were not fighting Assad nor part of the rebel opposition.

The people of Syria were scared as heck that the Islamists would win as their goal was to turn Syria into a Sharia Theocracy. That was the whole "Call to Jihad" in Syria. As soon as it became clear that these Jihadists had support from major nation states - including the US - foreign nut job fighters piled in from all over the world.

The people of Syria want to keep their freedoms - the Islamist Jihadists want to take them away - that is why they fight for Assad even though they do not like the guy that much.

You have been ingesting way too much propaganda. What we did in Syria - in conjunction with El Saud and others - was not on the side of Good - it was on the side of Evil - which is why the Obama administration and the MSM hid the details from the public and made up a whole bunch of lies and propaganda with respect to the conflict. One example that you seem to have ingested is Obama's "Moderate Rebel Lie".

They vast overwhelming majority of those fighting Assad were Islamist Jihadists. Finding a moderate among that crowd was like finding a needle in a haystack and even if you could find some small number of moderates - supporting them would only help Al Qaeda/ISIS achieve their goal.

This is not some big secret -

https://mideastshuffle.com/2014/10/04/biden-turks-saudis-uae-funded-and-armed-al-nusra-and-al-qaeda/

The idea that there was some significant moderate force fighting Assad in Syria is a farce.. Orwellian doublespeak. The moderates were the ones fighting for Assad !!

You said Al Qaeda was not proxies of Saudi Arabia - according to Biden - and any other serious person with any knowledge of this conflict - indeed they were Saudi Proxies.

The Syria/Iran issue has to do with economic hegemony - and nothing to do with the propaganda narratives you have been regurgitating. We were not in Syria because "Assad is a dictator and a bad guy" That is a preposterous lie - fodder for the ignorant sheep who had never even heard of Syria prior this conflict - never mind knowing what the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist is.

In any case - we lost. Russia is not dominating the region - Obviously via Iran and Syria but also Iraq - who is now telling the US troops to leave. What did we think would happen when we installed a Shia Gov't ?

Do you seriously think every person in Syria and Iraq does not blame the US for the chaos - and rightly so - how can you blame them with a straight face ? Other Gulf nations are also siding with Iran - Qatar for one and Oman (albeit Oman is neutral but they are working with Iran).

Just wait - give it a few years for the dust to settle and Saudi Arabia will also be moving towards Russia/China. After all China is now their biggest customer.

We fcked up big time in Iraq - same in Syria, same in Libya which is now a Jihadist wonderland. The best thing we can hope for is that stthe world stops using oil and that these nations go back to being tent dwellers. In the meantime - Extremist Salafi ideology has been further spread all over the world - especially in Europe - and I need not tell you the problems they are having. These people do not integrate - each family has 5 or 6 kids and soon or later they become a force to be reckoned with.

 

First paragraph, that would be the point you know? At the time the Saudis were sending boat loads of money to Al Qaeda it was a bit player in Afghanistan and no one what it was going to metastasize into including the Saudis.

What odes that has to do with Syria??? Are you kidding or did it skip by your attention that Hezbollah is an Iranian proxy and has been for years. Al Assad may give them shelter but Iran gives them everything else. Assad remains in power for two reasons, the Russians need the port as a flank for the Dardenelles, and Hezbollah needs a sponsor close to Israel to continue harassing them. This is why we are seeing a peculiar, if at arms length, rapprochement of sorts between Israel and the Saudis. Both fear the Iranians more than they fear each other. Please note the enmity between Iran and Saudi Arabia predates this current contretemps by a little less than a millennium and a half. I mean food Lord Sunnis and Shi;a have been killing each other just about since the Muhammad died. It is currently the worlds longest running dynastic dispute.
Yes we screwed up in Libya, and if the rumors are true doubled down on that in Syria if for no other reason than the fact that we really don't have a dog in that fight.

Iraq is less clear if for no other reason than the fact that it is unclear we could ever accomplish much in Afghanistan while simultaneously keeping Saddam's ambitions in check. While taking out Saddam wasn't a bad idea the follow up was atrociously handled to put it mildly. Hell in some ways breaking up the Ottoman empire after WWI probably was the biggest mistake. Brought to us in large part by the same jackasses that got us involved in Libya the French and Brits. The last thing the Brits got right in the ME was the extermination of the Mahdi Uprising.

 

Al Qaeda in Afghanistan has nothing to do with the discussion. Why do you continue to flog that dead horse. I already explained the difference between Afghanistan and Syria twice now - and the difference is huge. Afghanistan was not giving arms to terrorists engaged in an insurgency against the sovereignty of some nation.

Why do you act as if I did not agree that Hezbollah was an Iranian proxy ? I did no such thing. The question is whether or not Iran's support for Hezbollah compares to El Saud's support of Al Qaeda/ ISIS. The fact of the matter is that supporting Al Qaeda/ISIS in Syria is much worse with respect to supporting terrorism - and I detailed exactly why and how it is worse.

You are talking over and/or ignoring most of what is said in my post. I realize that Israel is near and dear to you but - this does not change the fact that the Christians in Syria are human too. How many Christian lives is one Jew worth to you ? 10- 20 - 100 ?

Just trying to figure out what the measuring stick you are using is ? The stuff in relation to Syria is not rumors ... Unless of course you think Smokin Joe just woke up in the morning and was making stuff up - but we both know that wasn't the case.

This stuff has all come out - it is not a secret. Its just the the MSM refuses to talk about it. Its why the Dem's hate Tulsi Gabbard so much. She made the mistake of suggesting that we should stop arming terrorists and instead use that money for other things here at home.

 

Much like the Obama administration funded radical Islamists in Syria with weapons that started showing up in Iraq killing Americans.

 

Get the Iranians out of Yemen and the Saudis will cheerfully leave Syria.

 

The above is nonsense. Yemen has nothing to do with Syria and the Saudi's were never in Syria. How about getting the Saudi's out of Yemen... they have no right to be there.

Some of the stuff you spout just makes no sense. You need to stop talking out your backside and start studying in hopes of not saying such foolish things.

 

Post of the month.

 

Why do anything? I don't care if the Saudi's are in syria and Iran is in yemen. Why the hell do you care? Do you understand that we were given support to the Anti assad forces aligned with Iran while at the same time criticizing Iran for doing supporting this same organization?

Let them go and do what ever they want to each other, get our troops out of there, keep the 6th fleet in the med to support Isreal in case they are attacked, not them attacking and force Isreal to grant some palestinian state on the west bank occupied territory. With Israel allowed to keep troops in compounds in that territory, but they must remain in those compounds. I can have tolerance for a U.S. right or wrong policy but not a Isreal right or wrong one.

 

Why do you care what the hell Israel does but not what Iran does? By the way the Iranians are backing Assad not his opposition. That opposition consist of two disparate groups, the Kurds, and an assortment of Sunni Radicals of the five or six sides in this mess the kurds and the Israelis are the only ones I have much sympathy for.

By the way the only thing preventing the formation of a Palestinian state are the Palestinians themselves.

 

Neither do the Iranians. The Saudis are supporting the Kurds in Syria, at the request of the US. The Saudis are in Yemen in support of their allies there the current rulers. The current rulers are not Al Qeada the houthies are violent rebels in revolt against the government of Yemen in Essence Iran is doing exactly the same thing in Yemen that Saudi is doing in Syria.

 

On so Israel is pulling out of the west bank and going back to their 1948 borders? I think that is the biggest obstacle.
What do you think the palestinian response to that would be. or even the 1967 borders.

I also have sympathy for the Kurds, but not at the cost of american troops

 

Israel is never going back to their 48 borders. If that is a prerequiste for peace then it will never happen. Those borders simple aren't defensible. Asking them to do that is asking them to commit mass suicide. There has been one Masada already they aren't interested in another.

 

Constitution gives president license to kill

Such a wild imagination..... dream much????

 

The Kurd's are not Anti Assad rebels and we covered this already- You are regressing into denial.

The people of Yemen - led by the Houthi's - ousted the regime. Saudi Arabia came into a foreign country - to put that Regime back into power.
That Al Qaeda supports this regime should tell you something.

You are correct that Iran is doing what El Saud is doing in Syria - both of which are wrong. You need to better understand the facts though as the Kurd's have nothing to do with the conversation - and as far as I know it was the US that was arming the Kurds and not SA. Regardless - why did you even bring up the Kurds ?

 

They are trying to oust the regime they haven't yet. The Kurds are in NOrther Syria theya re operating against both the Regime and ISIS. again its a five sided war at the very least.

 

The Kurd's are not fighting for regime change and are not part of the rebel opposition. It is Turkey that hates the Kurds. Regardless - The Saudi's were supporting ISIS and Al Qaeda. You keep on trying to deny reality.

 

Yes the Turks hate the Kurds, So do the Shia in Iraq the the Sunnis in Iraq the Iranians and damn near everybody but the Israelis and the US. In their spare time when they aren't hating Israel they hate the Kurds, Mainly because the Kurds have the Temerity like the Israelis and the Palestinians to want a homeland of their own. Unfortunately their ancestral lands were drawn out of existence at the end of WWI by the French and Brits as the broke up the Ottoman empire. Those ancestral lands occupied parts of Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran. None of those countries therefore are particularly fond of the Kurds. Right now they have the North of Syria, and the North of Iraq. They would like a slice of Turkey and a chunk of Iran, They really don't care who Runs Syria as long as they get what they want so they are in essence at war to a greater or less extent with everyone currently in Syria and that includes ISIS and Al Qeada neither of whom they like or trust and with good reason they also don't like or Trust Assad the Russians or Hezbollah or Iran. They will cheerfully fight for which ever side offers the best deal and can come up with acceptable guarantees.

 

Why do you keep going on about the Kurds and keep trying to compare them to the rebel opposition. These are two completely different things. Face reality- your beloved El Saud armed and supported Al Qaeda and ISIS - as did we.

 

Dude you keep going on a Syria, as big a cluster -f as we've seen in recent memory. For the most part post Obama we've stayed out of it doing little more than giving aid and comfort to the Kurds and Tomahawking some WMD storage bins and Killing ISIS fighters when the opportunity presented itself. There is also some evidence that we took down a bunch of Russian paramilitary goons who were coming after our Kurdish allies.