Could Finland become the next Ukraine?

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  1. Ritter

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    Can someone please tell what kind of raison d'être NATO has in this modern day, because I really do not know.

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    He will end up dead..along with others like him..Putin won't allow any loose ends that will directly implicate the Kremlin...btw how much is Putin's personal wealth..I think poroshenko's wealth pales in comparison..all that gazprom money he's been skimming..hmmm..everyone needs heat for warmth and cooking..not everyone eats chocolates!
     
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    Oh so you found Putin's money? Well why don't you tell our government, they've been looking for it ever since Russia kicked out Washington's criminal friends. :roflol:
     
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    Okay let me explain as best I can. The military industrial complex needs to survive for our economy to remain stable... and it can't unless it has orders for more and more military hardware. In case of a war, the countries bordering Russia are considered dispensable, so to Washington they're cannon fodder.

    To go even deeper into it, we have to understand the minds of the Trotsky ideologues in Washington. They know that the earth will not be able to sustain anymore population growth with the exception of Russia, so even with its immense resources, billions of 'untermenchen' need to die. This is one of the reasons for the continuous wars by Washington.

    There are other methods of exterminating people as well, such as the GMO's which deplete the earth and make it less productive. The US is not immune to this killing off of people. Every person reaching the age of 18 must now register in preparation of a draft.. even though they are not being told. Instead of the government helping the economy grow which is what Trump wants to do, that way young people will have jobs, Hillary feels it's best to get rid of the 'deplorables' through wars and junk foods.

    All this falls into the plans of her supporter George Soros and his one world order, and its why the regime in Washington supports terrorists and Nazis, since they are able to kill without qualms. Since this ideology goes against Christianity, it is their biggest enemy ...thus the hatred for Vladimir Putin and the revival of Christianity in Russia.
     
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    Let everyone join NATO find an external enemy and voilà, world peace. :D

    Lul.
     
  6. Johnny Brady

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    Finland is not in NATO, so if Putin decides to take the country it'll be as easy as pie for him-

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    Wo said finding anything..kicked out Washington's friends?? Oh you mean berezhovsky, khodorkovsky, yahhh, how many oligarch buddies does Putin have close to him? I assume their wealth is in rubles? Or do they have Swiss bank accounts somewhere with $$US banknotes, there for a while back in 2007 when I was in st Pete the $$US dollar was almost the official currency!:alcoholic:
     
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    Something like Afghanistan was for the formerCCCP at its height?
     
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    The Crimea was only handed over to Ukraine temporarily in the Soviet era as a token of friendship between Russia and Ukraine and the majority of the residents are Russians. Finland is not part of Russia in any way and the Kremlin is not planning another Winter War. Finland was not even a part of the Soviet sphere of influence during the Cold War. The man who made this outrageous claim is Andrey Nikolayevich Illarionov (Russian: Андре́й Никола́евич Илларио́нов), the former economic policy advisor to Vladimir Putin. But he now works at the Cato Institute in Washington and he made this incorrect statement to please his new masters in the US. Russians expats generally do not hesitate to sell their mother country to their former enemies.
     
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    Vladimir Putin's oligarch friends pay their taxes, and their wealth is in Russia. If it wasn't, I doubt they would be his friends. Now let's talk about Poroshenko? :roflol:
     
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    You're right.

    The most important election was in 2012 when the electorate gave Obama a second term. This did the country, and much of the world, immense damage. Perhaps Donald Trump may turn things around, though very difficult, but if Hillary Clinton is elected then it won't really matter who wins in 2020. The damage will be unalterable.

    Both Donald Trump and Mitt Romney are examples of how the leftist machine can tear apart otherwise good people and how someone like BHO or Hillary Clinton can actually gain the Presidency. A poorly educated electorate, as a result of policies encouraged by leaders of the Democrats, are a long term danger to any democracy.
     
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    It would be nice if Russia will join NATO,
    no more fanfares of making adjacent nations as chess pieces.
    BUT.

    https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/5-reasons-why-russia-will-never-join-nato-3105
     
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    Not to mention that the Fins are nowhere near to being Russians in any way and would strongly resist any attempt at conquer and occupation, and with a LOT of assistance from other nations, including of course the USSA. It's not like the Crimean people voting to return to Russia following a western-backed coup in Kiev..
     
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    You know this for a fact I assume...what about poroshenko..I'm assuming you know his true wealth?
     
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    The Moscow Times is foreign owned and will always write that which would be detrimental to Russia's welfare both politically and financially so I wouldn't pay much attention to what it writes. As for Russia's global ambitions, it was brought about by Washington's destruction of the nations in the Middle East, Africa and Ukraine, so it could push its globalist ambitions and its one world government under its own hegemony. Washington has a total indifference to human lives, even to the point of tricking Belgium this week into bombing a civilian area so it can be blamed on Russia.

    I watched a video with reporters asking Vladimir Putin questions, and one reporter said she was in Syria and the Middle East and people were furious with Russia for not being more involved and asking where are they. To them Russia is their only saviour in a world encompassed by an unbelievable evil.

    This is the reason Russia has done its utmost to become a strong military power. It's to curb Washington with its illegal actions and indifference towards human lives. If you paid attention and read Vladimir Putin's speeches from the time of the illegal war against Serbia under the pretense of genocide, and the bombing of Belgrade for 78 days, you would know why Russia decided then and there to raise itself into a superpower status again.
    
     
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    To start Swedes have to return the money received from Russia for the sale of Baltic. Of course on the present rate, with percent. And only after that the Swedes can speak about territorial disputes.
     
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    Free the Sudetenland!!! Oh, wait... :roflol:
     
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    What sale?
     
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    Jesu

    Is there some sort of Tin foil surplus or shortage in your area?

    Lessee, WWI and WWII both did in less than 100 millions, I think, and all the famines in the 20th century give us another 100, maybe, Let's throw in another 100, oh hell, 200 and just to make everything even lets just make it 500 million ( whats a hundred million deaths among friends)

    The world's population increased from roughly 5 to 7 billion since roughly 1950 (I say roughly because I'm not looking it up and not going to, the actual numbers aren't really important)

    All that war, all that starvation, the horrors of a Big Mac, didn't even make a dent.

    You don't control population by killing people, we are just too fecund for that. If somebody is trying to control population using the methods you outline they're crazier than you are for thinking it.
     
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    ????Huh? Swedes must return monies received from Russia for the Baltics? Uh huh, I see someone forgot to take their medications today! Stories keep getting better!
     
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    Dobroe utro Comrade Jeanette,
    So far with the suppose good against evil stance of Russia what I only saw is the annexation of Crimea and support of Assad against it's people's uprising which violates sovereignty and human rights. I think it's Russia who is trying to enforce an hegemony basing upon it's action.



    http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/p... Sevastopol: EU extends sanctions by one year
     
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    Are you familiar with the term "history"? Perhaps you are familiar with the history of Sweden? Did you know the phrase "Treaty of Nystad"?
    I will remind you.

    Treaty of Nystad was the end of the Swedish power, which gravitated over northern Europe since the Thirty Years War. Russia, as always saved Europe. It was after the brilliant "Victoria" in the Northern War, November 4, 1721, Peter I assumed the title of Emperor of All-Russia. And Russia, from Russian Orthodox kingdom - became the Russian Empire - the largest in the world.

    It should be noted that while Russia was not trying to humiliate Sweden and the actually bought the land Baltic and Karelia and became their rightful owner even in the framework of modern international law.

    Petr1 paid 2 million yefimki (silver coins is very high grade, which were minted in Berlin, Leipzig, Braunschweig) for Swedes, each of which weighed 28 grams. That is, about 56 tons of silver.

    Therefore, in accordance with international law, Russia - the rightful owner of the Baltic States and Karelia.
    If you respect the international law, you have to admit it. If you do not admit it - you do not respect international law. Therefore Russia is also not obliged to unilaterally respect international law. Is not it?
     
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    You say (and not just you) ..... You're talking about the Crimea, as if it is an empty area or an wild Papuans lives in the Crimea, whose opinion may be of interest to no one. Is these the west democracy?

    And vice versa. You are very much interested in the opinion of the rebellious people in Syria.
    You're talking about the "people's uprising" in Syria as this rebellious people would want to make democracy and to protect human rights in Syria, but .....
    ...but not repeat these things that Assad did .

    Do you believe in what you say?:confusion:

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    Like all westerner he believes without question everything he reads or hears in the mainstream media. That's how dumb we've become. Give us our sport and our infantile tv entertainment and we're happy as pigs in (*)(*)(*)(*). Think 'Harrison Bergeron'.
     
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    Crimea is a apart of Ukraine, that is why this "Russian annexation" portray in reality what the Russians did, we are talking about territories here. I truly believe that in a democratic way all the ailing of the people should be addressed by the state enshrining the belief that the Government is of the people, for the people, and by the people, what happened in Syria was quite not humane Assad used force and the military against his subjects instead of addressing wisely and peacefully the clamor. Assad and your country do have the accountability of the bloodshed happening now in Syria.
     

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