Could we Canadians STOP the Iran deal?

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    Here is one link about the deal allowing Iran to develop a weapon in ten years. You can find your own link prior to the agreement saying Iran was less than a year away.

    The Israeli prime minister charged the international community with removing sanctions against Iran while allowing Iran to keep its nuclear program.

    “In a decade, this deal will give an unreformed, unrepentant and far richer terrorist regime the capacity to produce many nuclear bombs, in fact, an entire nuclear arsenal with the means to deliver it,” he said. “What a stunning historic mistake.”
     
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    Aha yes..... this came out first on Twitter.


    https://twitter.com/israelipm/status/620976334307594241

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    In North America, our political leaders specialize in dumping off their largest problems on the next administration.

    In Israel, each political leader who is truly Jewish, is given a world view that includes events for at least a thousand years in the future.

    We North American may consider it "pretty good politics" to delay problems for a decade or so......… but I don't think that this fits very well with the Israeli world view.

    North American political leaders would really do well to at the minimum seriously consider a world of two to three centuries in the future..... such as was shown to near death experiencer Howard Storm.......


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04

    .... To my thinking it is very interesting that Americans of two to three centuries in the future...… don't seem to be head over heels in debt and scrambling around like rats in a cage to keep up with all the payments???!
     
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    AboveAlpha, your comments truly are encouraging!

    But......… what if behind the scenes President Putin has the Mullah's convinced that a significant devaluation of the USA dollar is being set up.......... which would make it very difficult for even a G. O. P. administration to justify a serious military risk in the Middle East?

    A Pastor Shane Warren was given a disturbing dream in which he was shown a hurricane of money that he understood as a devaluation of the USA dollar.

    In the dream he saw President Putin gather together with Islamic leaders and other politicians intent on destroying both Israel as well as America. Some of the statements by billionaire George Soros indicate to me that President Putin is NOT an adversary that should be under estimated.........… Russia can supply Iran with pretty much whatever they want to............. when ever they like....... if the USA economy pretty much takes America out of the picture militarily???????????????????????!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87l4512Q4rY
    Shane Warren 1 on It's Supernatural with Sid Roth - Future of America

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    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-could-utah-state-dollar-save-usa-dollar.html

    Could a Utah State Dollar save the USA Dollar?



    Have you seen any of the following films:

    1. The Future of Food
    2. Food Inc
    3. The World According to Monsanto.

    If so..... then you know that the USA dollar to some degree is linked to and backed up by a plan to control the world's production of food in such a way that could eventually produce global famine.


    "George Soros says that America must give up the dollar and accept world currency."

    http://www.examiner.com/article/geo...aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582



    ...................... President Putin, in my opinion, may well be closer to the truth on the one subject of GMO's, than American political leaders are....... which....... could turn out to be quite dangerous for our economy.
     
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    AboveAlpha, regarding Pastor Shane Warren's scary visionary dream of the future........... for fifteen years now my amazing wife Maria Jose has astonished me again and again and again by being given dreams......… that seem to come to pass with a nearly one hundred percent level of accuracy........... (at least a certain type of her dreams that she seems to have an amazingly good understanding of how those dreams differ from ordinary ones)???!

    When I first wrote to her through ChristianMatchmaker .com back on August 8, 2000, within 24 hours she was somehow shown that I was going to be her husband. She was NOT impressed..... because the writing that I had sent to her asking her to criticize indicated that I was not exactly Pentecostal........... like she is.

    In 2003 or 2004 she was given another dream about a grey house, on a hill, by a lake, with only a few neighbours, with a large wooden deck or veranda........... So for over a years we drove around lakes, looking for a house that would meet that description. We gave up after a year or so and kind of forgot about her dream, but then in the summer of 2006 she was looking at houses for sale online and found one that fitted her dream.

    The financing worked out in a way that could only be described as miraculous..... I sold two lake front lots in perfect timing to raise about half of the cost as a down payment and a house that costed $170 k Cdn to build was ours for $85k, (not to mention the 3.96 acre lakefront lot)???????!!!

    So as you can see.......... I have my reasons to take Pastor Shane Warren very very seriously. Although I have almost zero understanding of how he and my wife are given such direct guidance....... I have to admit that this does happen!!!?
     
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    It seems that the deal is still somewhat up in the air.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-senate-democrats-no-vote/
    Forget a veto override; Democrats hope to prevent a 'no' vote on the Iran deal

     
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    Devaluation of the Dollar only helps the U.S. as far as Trade and hurts those who have bought up many U.S. Dollars like China and Russia.

    The U.S. Economy is monsterous....and at $17.7 Trillion does not include U.S. Territories which if added would bring the U.S. Economy to about $20 Trillion and this does not take into consideration of the Multitude of Offshore U.S. Corporate Headquarters which we are slowly but surely forcing these Tax Evading Companies to come into line.

    Then you have the hundreds if not close to a thousand of U.S. Companies that have set up base in Nations all over the world.

    The fact is....as the Dollar and as the U.S. Economy go....so does the WORLD ECONOMY as everything is so inter-related that most nations depend upon the U.S. Economy not to mention that the Dollar is the Worlds Emergency Currency as only the U.S. Dollar exists in numbers that allow it to be a Worldwide Emergency Currency.

    Then you have the U.S. Military that without would result in Worldwide Chaos as just the U.S. Navy is an entity the entire world depends upon to keep International Shipping Lanes clear and safe.

    China depends a great deal upon the U.S. Navy as the U.S. Navy protects Chinese Oil Tankers just as we protect Japanese Tankers.

    And as far as Food....the U.N. Poverty and Hunger Committee's have stated that without current levels of U.S. Food Aid that close to 1 Billion people would starve.....and another 800,000,000 people would die without U.S. Medical Aid.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Yes!!!!!!!!!

    A weaker USA Dollar could cause a boom in exports from the USA!

    We are indeed living in a phenomenal time line, especially in comparison to some of the ones that I have read about in some types of research into parapsychology?!

    I think that you will find this interesting Sir..........

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=419320&page=7&p=1065314278#post1065314278


    I am hoping that our ally Pope Francis may get involved in the printing up of perhaps a "Dr. Moses Coady Volunteerism Hour" or something along that line. Optimistically, those notes and/or debits and credits, could also serve as a back up USA and world currency at some point in the future.

    This is especially true if they are focused on a series of documentary, reality and semi-reality science fiction films that take place near the world's most valuable piece of real estate????!

    Notice post #219.....
    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...least-expensive-way-stabilize-climate-22.html
     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=423385&page=2&p=1065334295#post1065334295
    Prime Minister Netanyahu........ I write an e-mail to my M. P. Mr. Peter MacKay perhaps once or twice each year, and I try my level best to never waste his time.

    Sir............. I would not lightly begin this discussion thread if I did not think that I had just found out something that I feel could be relevant to you, and to the seven million people that you obviously are running around frantically trying to the best of your ability to protect, inspire, encourage and even employ.

    Prime Minister Netanyahu.......... I firmly believe that somebody who is Jewish can also attain what could be termed "Cyrus Consciousness." Page 4 post #40 of this discussion will really give you something to think about:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/religion-philosophy/390023-message-adam-all-mankind-rick-joyner.html
    Please pray or meditate on Canada's P. M. brokering Jordan - Israel peace deal?


    ...........................

    Sir........... it is theoretically possible to set a series of documentary plus reality, plus semi-reality science fiction films, partly in Nova Scotia, Canada, and through that series of films, combined with some form or forms or micro-nation currency unit and / or local currency and / or church currency.......... and / or "Dr. Moses Coady Volunteerism Hour"....... it may be possible to begin to finance a movement that could eventually come to be termed "Global Ecological Kibbutzim?"

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/dann...eans-from-rising-ocean-levels/642434499224784
    The Sahara Forest Project and saving New Orleans from rising ocean levels.
     
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    Looks interesting.......

    http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...s-urge-congress-reject-iran-nuclear-deal.html

    Retired gens & adms urge Congress: Reject Iran nuclear deal
     
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    The deal is idiotic in that it just allows Iran more time to continue to enrich Uranium to weapons grade.

    But then again at the same time the U.S. will KNOW within 16 to 24 months whether or not Iran is honoring the agreement and at that time the U.S. can show the WORLD that the U.S. went the extra mile attempting to make a deal with Iran and that Iran has broken the agreement thus world opinion will swing against the Iranian Religious Regime.

    The 16 to 24 months would only allow Iran the ability to have 3 to 6 circa 1945 U.S. Military Gun Barrel Design Fissom Bombs available compared to Iran's current ability to have 1 or 2 such Fission Bombs available.

    Since such Nuclear Weapons are extremely large and heavy they cannot be carried by any missile and the only way Iran could deliver such weapons to target would be to place them in trucks and drive them to target or place them inside Passenger Jetliners and either way the U.S. can track then easily.

    3 to 6 Fission Bombs of 3 to 5 Kiloton Nominal Explosive Yeild are nothing that would deter a U.S. Military Invasion.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    The whole point of the deal isn't to give Iran a nuclear weapon, it is to limit and monitor the amount of enriched uranium so they don't develop a weapon. We could do no deal with Iran and continue embargoing them, but that does nothing to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon, just look at North Korea

    Also, Iran is a country that hasn't invaded anyone in over 200 years (speaking of their habits), there is no reason to believe they would use a nuclear weapon even if they did have one. If you want to talk about a nation's habits, the US would be more likely to use a nuke on Iran than Iran would be to use a nuke on Israel or the US. If Iran ever did use a nuke on anyone, it would be the end of Iran's existence, and they know that. The entire world would unite against them
     
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    What is at issue is the preservation of the NPT.

    Iran did not have the technological ability to build Nuclear Reactors thus by signing the NPT Iran was allowed to purchase Nuclear Reactors which were built by Russia and Nuclear Reactor Grade Fuel.

    As part of allowing Iran to purchase Nuclear Tech. after signing the NPT....Iran MUST abide by the rules and regulations and allow IAEA Inspections and Digital Video Monitoring of all Iran's Nuclear Facilities.

    Iran threw out IAEA Inspectors and ripped out all Video Cameras.

    Iran also built several secret underground Uranium Enrichment Facilities which the U.S. detected using Deep Ground Penetrating Radar and Iran has now admitted to digging out such underground Nuclear Facilities which are illegal under the rules of the NPT.

    If Iran is alowed to build a Nuke after signing the NPT then this opens PANDORA'S BOX as then every nation who signed the NPT to get Nuclear Tech. will want to build Nukes.

    It cannot and will not be allowed as the NPT must be preserved at all costs.

    As Israel has promised to bomb all Iranian Nuclear Sites if Iran declares it has developed Nuclear Weapons and such bombing would poison the entire region with Radioactive Dust....the United States cannot allow this thus if Iran declares it has Nukes....the U.S. Military will invade Iran.

    It would be AUTOMATIC.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    This is certainly an encouraging aspect of the whole situation I must admit!
     
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    I just wish that the Obama Administration and Kerry had done a better job detailing out what the consequences would be if Iran does not honor the agreement.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    If they had done that it would have made campaigning easier for whoever gets the Democratic Party nomination.
     
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    Foreign Policy is the Weak Link in the Democrats Platform.

    The Weak Link in the GOP Platform is Ultra-Right Wing Religious Ideology.

    If Donald Trump is the best the GOP has got....the GOP is going to LOSE BIG!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    AboveAlpha...… as I am certain you know better than 99% of us on this forum, including myself, we humans do have a tendency to think that other people think, much like we personally think.

    It might just be almost a decade ago but I decided to join one of the online chess clubs. I went in........ and noticed that "Jake the Snake" was there........ that Jake was classified as Grand Master Level.....(over 2000 points, which I know that you understand far better than I do)........... so I messaged Jake and asked him it he would be willing to play against me...… I explained that I was not in his league but I had taught my step son from my first marriage to play chess and four months later he was Nova Scotia champion for Grade 5 students.

    At the national championship in Montreal in 1991 he did win against the Grade 5 champion from Saskatchewan, (one of the only other provinces with a population of only one million people)!

    In a five minute game with Jake I had made over fifty moves and although I had lost my Queen it wasn't near being over.......... I probably could have delayed the inevitable for perhaps twenty or more moves...… perhaps another fifty, in a ten minute game.

    I thought that that was pretty good for a red neck from the back woods of Nova Scotia, so later on I went in again...… and "King Cobra" was there...… King again was Grand Master level and even in two minute games I could still be alive having made well over thirty to fifty moves.... which verified that game with Jake...… which I thought might be a fluke..... because I know that I am less than 1500..... probably less than 1400 on that scale used to rate chess players.

    AboveAlpha...… Mr. Donald Trump, for all of his flaws, IS NOT STUPID!

    Surely he knows what he is doing and I think he must be playing the metaphorical role of a political Boris Spassky, and surely, he knows that his behavior is PERFECT....... to give Mrs. Ann Romney the fuel that she needs to get psyched up for another grueling Presidential campaign????!

    I cannot imagine that Mrs. Ann Romney will not soon give Mitt the go ahead to "go get 'im!!!"

    I really think that The Donald is much like one of the wrestlers who plays the role of the "villain" but surely.........… he knows that his campaign so far will almost certainly lure Mr. Mitt Romney into the campaign......… and Mr. Romney, under these circumstances...… will appear like the hero riding in on his "white horse" to save the G. O. P. from the "evil" Donald........... but in actuality........... The Donald may be deliberately doing a brilliant "Boris Spassky" imitation in order to set Mr. Mitt Romney up to play out a role much like a Bobby Fischer of USA politics?????!
     
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    Maybe
    But i think that is all highly speculative
    Mr trump does not play to help others win

    Also, i think that you assume that smart people are equally smart in all areas
    In fact smart people often say or do incredibly stupid things
     
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    But....... if we do see Mr. Mitt Romney enter the race before 2016 begins we should consider that perhaps The Donald may have suspected that his less than stellar campaign strategy would tend to have that result??????!

    America and Canada do love to be entertained!!! The Donald is accomplishing that at the minimum?!
     
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    Dennis...boy did you hit the nail on the head!!

    For some reason most people DO think that other people think and rationalize just like they do....but BOY...do they get a rude awakening when they come to realize that different people do NOT think anywhere near what other people think, rationalize, believe or even in how they apply LOGIC is for you and I completely INSANE but for them...well they think their Logic is not faulty even when their Logic has so many holes in it that Swiss Cheese is in envy!!!

    Here's the thing with Trump.

    Yes...of course the guy is very smart as he would have to be to become a Billionaire....but here's the thing with Trump....since he has anything he want's.....he get's bored and his ego forces him to try to obtain things or in this case a POSITION known as the Presidency not because he want's to HELP PEOPLE....but because HE JUST WANT'S TO BE ABLE TO SAY HE DID IT!!!

    That's all it is with him.

    It certainly does not help him make more money....and it doesn't help him endear himself to a larger TV audience.

    This guy is fully aware his positions are alienating people that might vote for a Republican but won't vote for him.

    It's all about....I am Donnie T.....and I actually ran for President and said....THIS IS THE PLATFORM I RAN FOR PRESIDENT WITH AND NO ONE ELSE COULD HAVE WON THE PRESIDENCY RUNNING ON THAT PLATFORM BUT HEY I'M DONNIE T. BABY!!! AND I CAN DO ANYTHING!!!!

    That's what Trump is all about.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    So you think that The Donald is unaware of information that strongly indicates that less than twenty people play around with central banking policy in such a way that drives the stock market into the toilet on a regular basis....... so that those twenty people and their top several hundred cousins can buy up real estate and various businesses for about ten cents on the dollar?

    If the Donald has figured out a way to rectify the problem that only President Lincoln and President John F. Kennedy attempted to address........ then the top one percent of America would almost certainly see a surge in the value of their stock market portfolios?!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/econo...our-billion-dollars-how-can-we-do-2013-a.html

    President Lincoln saved taxpayers four billion dollars...how can we do this in 2013?



    I was given a copy of this article in 1994.

    After reading this article those lectures from Economics 101, 212 and Economic History sure took on a whole new level of importance.

    http://www.michaeljournal.org/lincolnkennedy.htm
    Melvin Sickler:




    OK, so how do we apply this information in 2013 without scaring the guys on Wallstreet, who have a tendency to go out on their balconies and jump, if investors get scared....which actually could happen even if government did something intelligent!!!!!???????
     
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    Has anybody read about the 40,000 trained terrorists who Iranian leaders have boasted are all prepared to infiltrate the refugees... and bring terror to the western democracies?

    This isn't exactly the article that I was referring to..... but this is certainly related.

    The exact article that I mean has quotations from Iranian leaders...... who are raising funds from other terrorist states for the plan!

    http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/...ments-annual-terrorism-report-part-1-hezbolla
     
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    Well this is certainly an interesting way of looking at the Iran nuclear deal!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=417492&page=3&p=1065768050#post1065768050

    Does the US have a duty to seek release of hostages in the Iran deal?


     
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    I am not so sure....... if Hillary or Bernie would like to educate Americans about flaws is Fed policy...... they could use The Donald and his positive points to make that happen.

    The entire flavour of American politics could be altered over the coming months......and the biggest winners could well be 320 million Americans?!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-greatly-improve-her-image-america-world.html
    How Hillary could greatly improve her image to America and the world.
    I admit it...... I prefer Bernie over Hillary as Democratic Party nominee.

    But..... Hillary is astonishingly intelligent and her extensive experience in Washington is obviously a major reason why many Democrats might well choose her even over the extremely likeable Bernie Sanders....... (even if he does get Ms. Elizabeth Warren to serve as his V. P. candidate)?!

    I have a theory in mind that could assist Hillary to tap into her artistic streak that could potentially make her much more of an anti-establishment candidate.

    She and Bill are good friends with The Donald........ and this makes it possible for them to have a much different than usual Presidential campaign.

    For starters.............. and I could be incorrect about this............... but I do believe that Mr. Donald Trump is extremely well prepared by the events of his life to be the man who alters America's view of Fed policy?!
     
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    Here is how Iran is using some of that 150 billion that came with the treaty.


    Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2016/04/musli...sted-for-christian-faith/#9yqrFhMzd0bZLXRc.99
     

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