"Courage"- a Catholic organization helping homosexuals

http://couragerc.org/courage/about/

the above HYPERLINK will get you to the web site

I applaud the effort of this group. They are taking the approach used with alcoholics and it's probably the best approach to take.

Instead of trying to get an alcoholic to understand why they drink, work to rid them of that vice.
Similarly, by doing that with homosexuals, it absolves them of their bad choice and instead focuses on a cure.

Below is a sampling and is the 12-step program


We admitted that we were powerless over homosexuality and our lives had become unmanageable.
We came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
We made a decision to turn our will and our lives to the care of God as we understood Him.
We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
We admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of our character.
We humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings.
We made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make direct amends to them all.
We made the direct amends to such people wherever possible except when to do so would injure them or others.
We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for the knowledge of God’s Will for us and the power to carry it out.
Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these Steps, we tried to carry this message to others and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

 

There is no "cure" for the homosexual orientation. Why do you think every reputable medical, psychological and psychiatric organisation has declared it to be ineffective and dangerous?

Aversion therapy on the other hand... that's possible, of course, but you cannot simply "delete" a person's innate urges. They will always have the attraction there. I have no problem in adults seeking that sort of thing, but please, leave the children alone until they are old enough to decide for themselves whether they want to repress their innate urges.

 

What about homosexuals who won't admit they are homosexual?

 

Well I hope it works out for you, every homosexual person needs to decide how they want to deal with themselves being homosexuals.

 

one is not "born homosexual"

despite multiple studies, it has never ever been proven

 

I suppose it would be the same for alcoholics and gamblers.

Look, you have to admit that at least the Catholics are offering a service to you and others. Once you're ready to avail yourself of it, it will be there.

In the meantime, there are many good, fact-filled articles on the site which discuss, and debunk the myths pushed by homosexuals.

It would not surprise me in the least to learn that you and other homosexuals were hoodwinked into the lifestyle due to misinformation. At least give the site a looksee and educate yourself

 

Oh, I'll lay you money that most of the people pushing this are NOT homosexuals. Oh, no, not them, uhuh, nope, never in thousand years.

And denial is just a river in Egypt.

Come ON guys, just because you thought Ms Thailand was pretty doesn't mean you have to spend the weekend at the Stone Wall.

 

As a Catholic who donates to the Catholic Appeal, I am confident that "Courage" probably receives some of its funding from there so in essence, I am helping provide a service to you and other homosexuals. All we wish to do is help you understand the life you have chosen and that there are places where help is available for you

 

Nor has it been proven that it's mutable. You assume incorrectly that the default position is that it IS something that can be changed, and the burden of proof is on those claiming otherwise. The fact of the matter is, you have but a TINY minority within a minority saying they've been "cured", and an overwhelming majority - including many of those who have attempted so-called "conversion therapy" - saying they don't recall ever consciously choosing their sexual orientation, or see themselves being able to change it. Both are "hearsay", but an overwhelming majority of people believe their sexual orientation is innate and immutable.

 

Would it really hurt you to reach out to this group and give it a try?

If you are presently happy in your lifestyle then so be it. But, at least I've done my good deed for the day making some folks aware of this valuable service.

I grow weary of the bashing of religious folks when we invest money into offering services like this.

 

I agree that self-hating homosexuals need help, but not the snake oil you are promoting.

 

What would I do that for? I'm a happy and content gay man who is engaged to marry my partner, my soulmate, whom I love more than anyone in the world. Even if it were possible to become heterosexual and delete all my homosexual urges, what possible reason would I have to stop being physically attracted to my beloved?

You're promoting something that's proven to be harmful for many - leading to a thing called "cognitive dissonance", where a dangerous conflict between a person's nature and their beliefs occur. That's far from a "good deed".

Oh I'm sorry, you're right - we should be grateful that you religious folk are investing your time and money in ridding the world of something that makes you feel uncomfortable (repressed feelings much?)......

 

What life have I chosen again?

 

We reach out to homosexuals in the hopes of healing them. We do not feel uncomfortable around homosexuals any more than we do around the poor or sick who can always count on aid from Christians. Christians- the first to help, the first to be scorned by leftists.

 

But you're not helping, you're contributing to - and in many cases even benefitting financially from - other people's misery and self-loathing. It would be more beneficial for a gay person to re-assess their religious beliefs than to try and alter something so seemingly innate.

 

I would probably be very upset if a homosexual group came out with a 12-step program to 'help' me with my heterosexuality. That said, there may be homosexuals who have had a change of mind/heart and your organization could prove useful.

 

Like with AA, it's not for everyone. But, if even one homosexual can be helped, isn't it worth the effort?

 

If it was a homosexual who WANTED to jettison his urges and be hetero, yes, it would be worth the effort. I'm not down on your organization.

 

Did they or an organisation like them "help" you? Your personal experience is relevant here.

 

I do have a family member who benefited from AA so yes, an organization like this one has benefited me in a way.

Maybe the fact that I have seen the good that AA can do for alcoholics is why I think "Courage" could help you and other homosexuals. Of course, you first need to admit that you need help to be freed from your chosen homosexual lifestyle.

 

I asked about you, not your "family member". I see you're still not willing to have an honest and candid discussion, even when your personal experience is completely relevant.

Oh well, carry on then.

 

they are not helping homosexuals ... they may be helping bi-sexuals ignore their sexual attractions to the same gender if they are that troubled by their attractions to the same gender.....

maybe they could call it BS Anonymous for Bi-Sexuals Anonymous

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you asked about an organization like them and if they helped me and I responded as to how I benefited from AA.

And BTW.............we speak American around here

it's not colour
it's not harbour

and there is a z in organization

what are you speaking, English or something?

 

how can you even judge if they help homosexuals? Have you tried them? Do you know anyone with first-hand experience who has looked to them for help?

Given the 12-steps, I would gather that it is much like AA where the person must first admit that they have a problem. Then and only then could "Courage" even begin to work with the person(s) to overcome the homosexual life.

 

Swift change of subject to something irrelevant. You're very predictable.