Covid and flu deaths roughly equal.

If you abort millions of Covid and none of Flu, it don't make Covid and Flu equal.

 

The states themselves did great. Meat packing plants that violated social distancing are an entirely separate subject

 

Half truth science is not science

 

The retail grocery and other essential businesses did practice social distancing. And requires patrons to also follow their rules.
Meat packers, not so much.
A big fail for them. But I suspect, it's because most of the meat workers are immigrants. IMO.

 

What guidelines?
That was the whole point of shutting down. Making essential businesses follow social distancing guidelines.
Those states that did none of that has the most meat packer illnesses.
Yet again, you prove my point and blow your theory out of the water.

 

He has on multiple occasions in this thread, debunked his own theories.
And proved my posts where I've included data.

 

Wrong again. States that didn’t shut down did practice social distancing and did just as well as states that shut down. Meat packing plants did not social distance so this proves social distancing is the key not a complete shutdown.

 

Nor is it vitriol.

But it doesn't fit your world view. They being backed in the science method.

 

Proof. Or making it up?

 

Yep. Look at the photo. No "whities" there. LOL

 

Proof as they say is in the pudding. States that didn’t shut down fared no worse than those that did.
Bottom line is you would keep businesses shut down until we are in an irreversible depression and do so strictly for political reasons. Everyone now knows the shutdown is unnecessary and counterproductive

 

Meat processing: an industry engineered to hire immigrants
https://www.workingimmigrants.com/2006/03/meat-processing-an-industry-engineered-to-hire-immigrants/

In the past twenty years the meat processing industry has evolved into a more rural, immigrant-staffed and corporately organized industry. To get to full picture you need to appreciate the interweaving of a number of apparently disparate trends which, together, evolved into a huge immigrant hiring and employment machine: in a way, a completely privatized, but hardly improvised, guest worker program.
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In the past twenty years the meat processing industry has evolved into a more rural, immigrant-staffed and corporately organized industry. To get to full picture you need to appreciate the interweaving of a number of apparently disparate trends which, together, evolved into a huge immigrant hiring and employment machine: in a way, a completely privatized, but hardly improvised, guest worker program....

Yes, immigrants make up a large portion of the workers.

 

Bottom line.
Make up theories.
Then when called out on those theories, attack the person asking you for proof.

Your MO never fails.

As i stated to you, those states that didn't shut down are rural.
Rural areas in general fared better.
But those that didn't shut down, did nothing to protect their citizens and workers. The meat packing plants in those states are prime examples.

You claimed they did, but offered no proof and instead made it about me.
Proving you have no point that is truth.

 

Prove states that didn’t shut down also didn’t social distance. Two can play your stupid game.

 

Mass PAPR, hoses from sealing and PAPR masks. Problem solved.

What are those things, Alien baby bottoms?

 

You claimed they practiced social distancing, prove it.

Did they close schools? Keep students 6 ft apart.

1X, prove something you claim. Don't make everyone do your own work.

Its your stupid game and you play it everyday here.

edit
South Dakota
Governor Kristi Noem, a Republican, said statewide orders would limit the rights of individuals in her state.

"South Dakota is not New York City," she said in a press conference April 1, later urging residents "not to turn on the news and look at NYC and think that that's what Lemmon, South Dakota is going to face in a month."

"The calls to apply for a one-size-fits-all approach to this problem is herd mentality. It's not leadership."

She also suggested that following social distancing orders should be voluntary.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stay-at-home-orders-states/

 

Easy to prove, image of football fields and desks. Just imagining that made me laugh.

 

You claimed they didn’t practice social distancing. Prove it. I’ve never heard anyone make such a vitriolic claim besides you.

 

So which state(s) didn't shut down their schools? And do they have enough population to fill two industrial Georgia chicken coops?

The whole debate is ridiculous, if the virus doesn't go away and we don't have vaccine, better to get some damn American Made soap and n95 (Star Wars print...) masks in our stores slap freaking pallets full in the entrance for everyone, so they can go to work and a bar after... Like now fracking hell, China sent me more masks than this lame turd country that can't wipe its ass and make enough masks but can make me paint a commie coloring book. Make America Great Again, make a fracking mask here...

 

It would appear that way to a "Socialist mindset".

 

People who do not test positive for COVID-19 are not categorized as confirmed cases, but rather provisional, meaning the data gathered may be changed later on as more analysis are run. What is important to note is the more data we are able to gather on this virus, the more likely we are to identify symptoms and treatment for the virus, as well as any future mutations of the virus. If a patient comes into the hospital already in critical condition and a doctor has reasonable cause to believe that the person has the virus through examination and identifying their symptoms, then it would not be out of the ordinary for that doctor to begin providing treatment for the virus immediately rather than wait for a lab test to come back positive. Likewise, if that patient dies before a test can be conducted, and they have reasonable cause to believe that contacting the virus is what caused their untimely death, then it is not out of the ordinary for that doctor to use their medical experience to conclude that the COVID-19 virus is the probable reason for that patients death, which allows for more research to be conducted from the patient's autopsy to gather more analysis on the COVID-19 virus, but again this person's death would be listed as provisional rather than confirmed, meaning the information on their death may be changed as more analysis are run

It certainly isn't uncommon for multiple factors to be a contributor for one's death. I have a grandparent who died from cancer, however their heart condition was probably also a factor in their body's ability to fight the disease. People who are undergoing cancer treatment would certainly be more vulnerable if they were to contact the virus. My roommate's buddy is currently undergoing cancer treatment, he is in pretty rough shape, no one knows if he'll be able to recover or if he'll be dead within a few years. What we do know is he is in a condition that would make him more vulnerable if he were to contact the virus. If he contacted the virus and his health took a turn for the worst as a result, it wouldn't be unlikely for the doctors to conclude that the virus was a cause that contributed to their death.

Likewise, I have a buddy with asthma, which makes him more vulnerable if he were to contact the virus as well. If he were to contact the virus and his health took a turn for the worst as a result, it would not be unlikely for the doctors to conclude that the virus was a contributing factor to their death

However, contrary to what some believe, it is not an automatic conclusion that one died from the virus if they tested positive. For example, if someone tests positive and then gets hit by a car shortly afterwards, that person's death would not be counted as a COVID-19 death by the CDC. The CDC only counts COVID-19 as the cause of death after medical analysis. For that reason many people who do die from the virus are not counted. For example, if a subject dies at home from the virus, the CDC would likely be unable to conclude that the virus was the cause of death, unless a doctor was able to see the patient and determine the cause of death

The CDC's numbers aren't being run by a computer, or any other kind of automatic system, it is doctors who are making these conclusions that a patient died from COVID-19

 

That is total BULLSHIT

Not only are healthy individuals under 50 ALSO at risk...but long term damage in terms of blood. cots and liver damage are a problem

I know many people who have had it (I'm in NY state)....and every person I know that actually tested positive for it has told me it was anywhere from a *********ker...to a fight for life.

I know several healthy people who got it (between the ages of 40-50) who have ended up with pneumonia and blood clots. That's no joke

 

Agree with me or get out. Typical conservative

 

Covid19 is more than five to ten times deadly than the flu,

 

I'm not a socialist. I'm a Social Democrat, there are important and considerable differences. I call conservatives conservatives, not fascists which many of them really are.