Cowardly Trump refuses to appear at the Republican debate

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  1. mswan

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    Trump doesn't sound crazy to me. He's an arrogant narcissist but he's better for the country than any Democrat.
     
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    Why would Trump give legitimacy to the debates when he has already been running some 40+ points ahead of his opponents in the polls and has consistently been polling at over 50% (nowadays closer to 60%)?
     
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  3. JohnHamilton

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    The last time a former president made a serious effort to be re-elected was Teddy Roosevelt in 1912. Teddy would never have ducked a debate.

    The last time a defeated former president ran for re-election was Grover Cleveland in 1892.

    Trump needs to earn the nomination. It should not be handed to him. He needs to toughen up for the general election. Hollering in an echo chamber, which all his rallies amount to, is nothing.
     
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    What are you talking about? Trump is earning it.
     
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    His rally's allow him to run for office without having to compete or be taken to task by opponents or moderators. What he says at his rally's will be rebroadcast in the media, thus reaching out beyond the immediate rally audience. So far, it seems to be an effective strategy. What gets me is why so many in the party of law and order continue to support him in spite of his essentially blessing the January 6th violent riot at the Capitol which sent dozens of Capitol Police to the hospital. If Trump doesn't know where to draw the line for his support, I do. And this is why I won't vote for him again.
     
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    No he isn’t. He is ego tripping and bathing in adulation.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You could choose not to vote, or vote for the Libertarian or Green candidate.
     
  8. JohnHamilton

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    Which is the same as voting for Biden. Biden is the worst. He is incompetent, senile and probably corrupt. He’s not really the president. The radical left is running the show.

    Before this, I viewed Lyndon Johnson as the worst president of my lifetime followed by Nixon and Carter. Biden is worse than all three. Biden’s controllers have gone out of their way to make things worse for most Americans. They created inflation with flawed energy prices and over spending. They are flooding the country with illegal aliens in an effort to place their movement in power forever. Their foreign policies have failed. Our adversaries are stronger than ever, and Biden, as a doddering old man, is disrespected.

    Trump is the lesser of two evils. That’s why he’ll get my vote in the general election. The great fear is that at his age, he could go senile too. A patriotic president would step down under those circumstances. Neither Biden nor Trump are patriots. They are egotists like most politicians are.
     
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  9. JohnHamilton

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    It looks like Trump is ducking another debate and going to another rally in an echo chamber instead. These rallies are useless. Trump is doing nothing to expand his base and convince the undecided to vote for him. He is a coward who doesn’t have guts to debate the issues in public. He supporters should demand more of him.
     
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    Trying to overthrow US Government doesn’t make “ worst president” , but high inflation does.

    and you want us to take you seriously.
     
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    So what ? why are you upset Trump is going to debate or not. If he is nominee, you will vote for him anyway.

    Debate is not requirement to be nominated, winning primary is. and the way it looks like Trump will win primary 50+ point.
     
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    What does he have to gain? Trump does not owe you a viewing. He is a private citizen running for office with private money.
    The people most interested in Trump attending the debates are anti Trump people who want to get off on watching the candidates bash him.
    It's not your dough, so it's not your show!
     
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    I am liberal. My perfect movie is – Trump comes to debate, Chris Christie and Trump have their cage fight, Christie is GOP nominee and Trump run as 3rd party.

    Unfortunately, no one is going to make that movie. From Political sense, Trump has no reason to debate anyone. In the GOP primary, he is untouchable. Trump will win GOP nomination with 60% vote.

    All the GOPs who wants trump to debate and lose GOP nomination, they all will line up and vote for Trump in Nov 2024.
     
  14. JohnHamilton

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    I am opposed to Trump in the primaries, but a President of the United States owes it to the people to show he’s still got together, especially since Trump has so many distractions. Trump is of the age where people begin to lose it mentally. We don’t need another Biden who hides in his basement away from critical scrutiny.
     
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    Crushing his opponents would be overkill. If voters feel Hayli or Desantis will be more assertive in their "conservative" leadership, they will win on their merit. I am most definitely certain Trump will debate Biden if Biden is up for it.
     
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    Trump has a vague gag order, so a guy like Christy might ask him questions that would make him unable to answer. Do not think for a minute this is not being gamed by candidates both now and after the primaries.
     
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    Trump's 80 is Biden's 50.
     
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    I will counter the emboldened. Trump has articulated not only WHAT he wants to do but WHY he wants to do it. This Administration has never articulated WHY open borders are good for America and WHY lifting sanctions against Iran has been good for America. Making America Great again has a very long way to go this time. It is our only hope!
     
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  19. JohnHamilton

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    And this is why the Democrat indictments against Trump are political bull crap. Those indictments are politically motivated.

    If Trump wins the nomination, will the gag orders continue during the presidential campaign? I will guarantee you that those effing trials will not be over.

    People have hard time understanding my position. I don’t want Trump to get the nomination, but also oppose the use of the Justice System as a political weapon that politicians can use to silence their opponents. It’s a genteel form of political assassination.
     
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    No , no , there is no misunderstanding. People don’t misunderstand you at all. Reading your previous email, I have come to appreciate your position very well.

    Correct me if I am wrong.

    You believe Trump as president accomplished many things.

    You believe Trump handled US economy better then Obama or Biden

    You believe Trump handled COVID-19 very well.

    You believe Trump won the election , but Democrats stole the election from trump

    You believe on January 6 , people were just demonstrating their frustration and no one wanted to overturn anything.

    You believe 147 Republican who didn’t certify Joe Biden, they were doing their constitutional duty.

    You believe FBI, DOJ, CIA, local prosecutor in NY, GA, VA , MD all are after Trump for political reason.

    You believe trump is good from policy point of view and good as a leader but too many people hate him so it is better IF GOP nominated someone else.


    Did I miss any thing else?
     
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    Cowardly Trump refuses to appear at the Republican debate

    Cowardly? He doesn't participate in the debates because it is no benefit for him to do so and has some potential negativity. Cowardly? No, sensible politics. Why do the cowardly democrats want to skip having debates at all? Same reason.
     
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    Did Biden look like a hero to you when he spent the almost the entire 2020 campaign in his basement? Back in 1980, Jimmy Carter ducked a debate because John Anderson was in it. Some pundits said it was good politics, but others said it made him look like a snob, when his stock and trade was “a Georgia good ‘ol’ boy that was not like other Washington politicians.” In the end it helped bite him in the butt.
     
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    Yes it can work both ways. I stated Trump's reason for not debating, not the consequences of his refusal. Although, in this case, I think he is right.
     
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    Trump thrives on his sore loser grievance jamborees where he can spew his offal to the delight of his crackpot lickspittles.

    He couldn't possibly submit to any venue where he might to asked reasonable questions.

    The prospect of simply being asked to explain how an election certified by all 50 states had been "stolen" and by whom would trigger hysterics and stress incontinence.
     
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    Yes, his approach to 2020 made him more popular and a hero. He took COVID seriously and didn’t have a large gathering. He put health of Americans over his ambition.

    I understand MAGA cult can’t see that, but you who is not a MAGA cult can’t see that campaigning from basement , campaigning over the digital media was the right thing to do during the time 4000 Americans were dying every day from COVID-19.
     

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