Culture of Shootings , "Thoughts and Prayers" But No Solutions

This about sums it up folks. Very well said!!!

 

Remember its not the tool its the person that's dangerous right?

 

The only thing they focus on is they have a Constitutional right to have guns so anything that is said to try to find some middle ground is immediately shut down.

They don't need them. They *want* them. (See above)

Now, after dealing with COVID for over two years, I think we have a better overall perspective of who we are Americans and it hasn't been a very pretty picture. If someone could shrug off hundreds of thousands of deaths, 10-20 people mowed down by a mass shooter isn't going to rattle their cages.

So, the problem isn't necessarily *guns* but our selfish and apathetic society. It was much different when I was growing up. We knew all our neighbors and could go to any of them if we got hurt playing outside or a we were scared in a thunderstorm (if our parents weren't home). During this pandemic, I've personally intervened several times when people were pushing and snatching around senior citizens. Our store manager finally made the first hour open just for seniors. To this day, I have never been disrespectful to a senior citizen. I wouldn't even think of hurting someone, especially a senior citizen, but that's not how these last few generations think. People were screaming and posting all over the net "Every man for himself" as they bragged about outmaneuvering seniors and handicapped people.

It's very easy to see how and why other countries are becoming superpowers and our light is fading. Citizens of other countries are more aligned with the idea that they are part of the whole and their contributions impact the well-being of that whole. In the US, systemic bigotry is the rule of law so we conditioned from birth to consider some people as inferior. This is why we hear people complain about anything that is done to try to balance centuries of exclusion and disparity. It's not that they are interested or qualified for X, but they hate that "inferior" people get any opportunities. It's impossible to have a "sense of community" or "we are united" when a large percentage of the population hates everybody else and attempts to silence them by claiming that's untrue.

That same mindset is behind partisanship. We see threads every single day about how the other side is the cause of all the problems. We broad stroke everything else being somebody else's fault and we calibrate with ourselves as the "right" way to do things. I was actually shocked when people sided with the Capitol rioters over law enforcement (for that one riot) and stunned when nobody seemed to care that Trump put down our country and our POTUS by calling them "stupid" in favor of Putin. I just don't believe that any other public figure would have received a pass on either of those. We saw it just recently when Biden said something in a NATO meeting and people were angry saying that he's airing our country's dirty laundry. How does whatever that was about come anywhere close to Trump having a very, very public nervous breakdown over losing an election?

So, if we're going to get anywhere with 2A, R.v.W. (which is not about lives, but controlling women - who are also deemed inferior in our society) and all the other hot button issues, We, the People, have to be willing to do our part with the understanding that all of us have the same inalienable rights as American citizens and, even if we don't like it (whatever that is), we have to at least respect that fundamental rule. That will be difficult for most people, especially people married to a specific political party because we didn't arrive at this erupting volcano solely because of one party. We allowed ourselves to be used to fight amongst ourselves instead of recognizing the ebb and flow of politics will always exist and it's not supposed to be some crazy remake of Wrestling Mania.

P.S. Personally, I don't believe that a person should be allowed to own a gun, drive a vehicle or have children until they graduate from high school. I'm just SOL on all of those though.

 

We were celebrating the freedom won by defeating the British. Who tried to disarm us, they learned a lesson then.
Imagine forgetting that lesson about letting a gov disarm you, wouldn’t that be silly?

 

That has never been said. What is said is people kill people. People can kill people a million and one different ways. Using a gun is just one of them.

 

So you don't need a gun for defense, something else will work.

 

Sure sure....wag your finger all you want. Meanwhile I'll support people defending themselves with the best option available.

 

Why should gun owners consider unnecessary and ineffective restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms?
Why should such restrictions not be rejected out of hand?

 

Ok, not everyone is a long time MMA student. What should normal people, including women who are usually smaller and weaker, use to save their life?

 

You guys are the ones that keep saying its the person not the tool that's dangerous. Glad your admitting that its the tool.

 

LOL, pick one. What are you suggesting a person who is NOT armed do when attacked by an armed person? Just be honest.

 

Depends what their armed with.

 

1.gun
2. Knife
3. Bare hands.

sadly, most women won’t fare well on any of those 3, not sure how you’d have them deal with that but let it rip.

 

1:run
2:use mace, club with purse
3:use mace, club with purse

 

LOL not everyone CAN run away, mace has a poor rate of effectiveness as do clubs. There’s a reason those things aren’t a solid choice when your life is on the line.

realistically speaking a pistol is the highest likelihood of winning an unexpected felonious assault when your life is on the line. Anything else is just hope and nothing is actually perfect.

 

Police are searching for a man wanted in multiple shootings in Memphis who possibly streamed his actions on Facebook

Police in Memphis, Tennessee, are looking for a 19-year-old man accused of shooting multiple people Wednesday who may have captured the violence on Facebook. The number of people shot and their conditions were not immediately available.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...JO1+ks8y5XTmpjeFzX1J2Xm/zMsGufwHklj6VHAEAAA==

 

Yes. A felon, plead to assault down from murder, released after 8 months into a 3 year sentence.

If there was ever proof we need more restrictions on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms by the law abiding, this is it.

 

??????Proof we need to stop releasing criminals until they are prosecuted to the full extent of the law and serve their sentence. AND enforcing the gun laws we have on the books that make it a crime for such criminals to posses a gun.
This is the result of applying CRT to the criminal justice system. Strictly enforcing the criminal laws has a disparate impact upon blacks therefore strictly enforcing the criminal law is racism. Prosecutors used to work diligently with the police to enforce the criminal laws. Many have instead become advocates for the criminals. We have this guy in Memphis that should have been in jail. The guy who abducted and murdered the kindergarten teacher should have been in Jail. The guy in New York, on video sucker punching some random stranger on the sidewalk from behind, putting him into a coma, should have been in jail. This isnt a gun problem, its a crime problem.

 

6 injured in California school shooting, police say

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/28/...8380&user_id=4c68c4e9bd3f963fbfe158170142f11f

 

The only solution is more weapons. Schools need to have sniper towers and can pick off a mass shooter before they can even get their aim on

 

OBSTRUCTION?

K-12 IMPLOSION UPDATE: School officials texted Oakland shooting victims to not cooperate with police investigation: Sources. “Another disturbing headline about the shooting in Oakland comes from the ABC7 I-Team, law enforcement sources tell us school officials have sent text messages to shooting victims, instructing them not to cooperate with police. We’re hearing it’s a pattern, and some parents at the school are worried that a lack of action by school officials after previous incidents may have led to this escalation in violence. Law enforcement sources tell the I-Team, Oakland police investigators have obtained text messages from the shooting victims’ phones in which Rudsdale school officials tell them not to cooperate with police.“

Why would school authorities deliberately obstruct a police investigation?

'We're hearing it's a pattern, and some parents at the school are worried that a lack of action by school officials after previous incidents may have led to this escalation in violence.'

'Former Oakland City Council President Ignacio De La Fuente says, his connections inside the police department tell him, Rudsdale school officials have a history of failing to protect students, and that Oakland Unified has not done enough either.'

What are they hiding?

'This is part of a disturbing pattern by officials at that school - a lack of cooperation with police, especially after one troubling incident just weeks ago.'

"A kid was stabbed. He was bleeding. He was pistol-whipped. A gun was discovered at school. And yet the school district did nothing about it," said BayTech parent Mario Juarez.

'Police confirmed in August, a student was stabbed and pistol-whipped at the school. Police say that Rudsdale obstructed the investigation:

• School officials recovered the gun used in the attack.
• Kept it from police for hours, until finally turning it over in a zip lock bag.
• Sources also say the school would not let police perform follow-up interviews with students.
• School officials said, "They had it under control."'

'Police know who the suspects are from that previous event, and are investigating if they're responsible for Wednesday's shooting. Some police personnel are angry. In their words, "People got shot and they didn't have to."'

What's going on?

 

Liberalism.

 

The first lie the authoritarians tell is that they are 'liberals'. They are the opposite of liberals.

 

5 people killed, including off-duty police officer, in shooting in Raleigh, North Carolina, officials say

Five people, including an off-duty police officer, are dead after a shooting in Raleigh, North Carolina, officials said. A suspect has been "contained" in a residence near the scene, Mayor Mary-Ann Baldwin said in a news conference Thursday evening.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...WapvtRpfZaGzMJswMSlHeSULz9cYXYjf4BWi325wAAQAA

 

St. Louis school gunman was armed with AR-15-style rifle and over 600 rounds of ammunition

The gunman who killed two people at a St. Louis high school Monday was armed with an AR-15-style rifle and over 600 rounds of ammunition when he entered the building, police said Tuesday. The shooter, 19, also left a handwritten note in his car describing himself as a loner and saying that his lack of friends, a family and a social life made him want to be a mass shooter, according to police.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...NSiyjmHuzwc3LflXgT7A7VqKMBt4W9/uzX+7XiodFAQAA